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Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« on: April 04, 2011, 03:03:07 AM »
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Can you prevent an ability from being "can't be interrupted"?

For example I have Holy of Holies active.  My opponent attacks me with Thaddeus, and to keep things simple has more disciples than the toughness of my character.  Can I use 2k horses to interrupt the battle and kill him with a battle winner since holy of holies should be preventing the "can't be interrupted" portion of his ability?

Holy of Holies:
The words negate, interrupt, and prevent on all character cards are prevented. Holy of Holies cannot be negated.

Thaddeus:
Protect all cards in play, set-aside area, artifact piles, hands and decks from evil characters with X toughness or less(X= # of your good disciples in play).  Cannot be interrupted.




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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 03:17:49 AM »
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HoH only works against things like FBTN and your horses.  CBI, CBN and CBP aren't affected.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 08:02:09 AM »
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Quote from: SomeKittens on April 04, 2011, 03:17:49 AM
HoH only works against things like FBTN and your horses.  CBI, CBN and CBP aren't affected.

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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 08:07:07 AM »
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Quote from: Korunks on April 04, 2011, 08:02:09 AM
Quote from: SomeKittens on April 04, 2011, 03:17:49 AM
HoH only works against things like FBTN and your horses.  CBI, CBN and CBP aren't affected.

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This has always been the rule.  CBN means CBN, CBI means CBI, and CBP means CBP.  And abilities that make enhancements CBN are CBN, abilities that make enhancements CBP are CBP, etc.

You can prevent Thadd's ability since it is CBI.  But you can't use HoH to negate the CBI part of his ability.  CBN, CBP, and CBI are not like other abilities - they instead describe the negatability of other abilities.

But INE, and I know someone else can describe this better than me.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 10:00:39 AM »
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You've done a good job.

The only exception is that Prevent can sort of be Negated since it can be interrupted.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 10:09:55 AM »
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HoH only works against things like FBTN and your horses.  CBI, CBN and CBP aren't affected.

If Holy of Holies only works as you describe, then why does trembling demon work with HOH?

Quote from: jmhartz on April 04, 2011, 08:07:07 AM
This has always been the rule.  CBN means CBN, CBI means CBI, and CBP means CBP.  And abilities that make enhancements CBN are CBN, abilities that make enhancements CBP are CBP, etc.

You can prevent Thadd's ability since it is CBI.  But you can't use HoH to negate the CBI part of his ability.  CBN, CBP, and CBI are not like other abilities - they instead describe the negatability of other abilities.

But INE, and I know someone else can describe this better than me.

You are indeed correct, CBN means CBN.  But As far as I know it has always been ruled that a CBI ability can be stopped by a negate or prevent played before, which HOH would be.  CBI and CBP =\= CBN.  CBP would not be stopped by HOH, because CBP can not be stopped by a prevent or a negate that was played ahead of the CBP ability. 
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2011, 10:16:34 AM »
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TD works with HoH because it has a "negate" ability.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2011, 10:35:45 AM »
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But an ongoing negate acts as a prevent right? I fail to see how it does not prevent a CBI ability?  I see it like so.

1.  HOH is 'negating' (preventing) all all abilities containing the words interrupt, prevent and negate.
2. Thad enters battle, the CBI part of his ability is prevented(Because CBI CAN be prevented) because the prevent was in place before Thad activates.

The only hesitation I have is because I am not sure if the ability "Cannot be interrupted" could be ruled to contain the word interrupt.  I am struggling to find a definition of "contains" in the REG.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2011, 11:22:35 AM »
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Ive been waiting for the right time to ask this question and it seems to have presented itself...

If I negate an ability before it activates, is it considered prevented?

I am always confused on the whole negate=interrupt+prevent argument
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2011, 11:24:54 AM »
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Quote from: Korunks on April 04, 2011, 10:35:45 AM
2. Thad enters battle, the CBI part of his ability is prevented(Because CBI CAN be prevented) because the prevent was in place before Thad activates.

The CBI part of Thad's ability can't be prevented.  It really can't be targeted at all.  CBI just describes Thad's actual ability (his protect ability).  Since the protect ability is CBI, then it can only be stopped before he enters battle.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2011, 12:33:12 PM »
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Quote from: Korunks on April 04, 2011, 10:35:45 AM
But an ongoing negate acts as a prevent right? I fail to see how it does not prevent a CBI ability?  I see it like so.

1.  HOH is 'negating' (preventing) all all abilities containing the words interrupt, prevent and negate.
2. Thad enters battle, the CBI part of his ability is prevented(Because CBI CAN be prevented) because the prevent was in place before Thad activates.

The only hesitation I have is because I am not sure if the ability "Cannot be interrupted" could be ruled to contain the word interrupt.  I am struggling to find a definition of "contains" in the REG.

HoH prevents "interrupt abilities on character cards." Thad does not have an "interrupt" ability therefore HoH does not prevent his ability.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2011, 12:37:29 PM »
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Quote from: The Guardian on April 04, 2011, 12:33:12 PM
Quote from: Korunks on April 04, 2011, 10:35:45 AM
But an ongoing negate acts as a prevent right? I fail to see how it does not prevent a CBI ability?  I see it like so.

1.  HOH is 'negating' (preventing) all all abilities containing the words interrupt, prevent and negate.
2. Thad enters battle, the CBI part of his ability is prevented(Because CBI CAN be prevented) because the prevent was in place before Thad activates.

The only hesitation I have is because I am not sure if the ability "Cannot be interrupted" could be ruled to contain the word interrupt.  I am struggling to find a definition of "contains" in the REG.

HoH prevents "interrupt abilities on character cards." Thad does not have an "interrupt" ability therefore HoH does not prevent his ability.

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Holy of Holies (Pi)

Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Prevent all interrupt, prevent, and negate abilities on Characters. Cannot be negated during the battle phase. • Identifiers: OT, Tabernacle Item, Temple Item • Verse: I Kings 8:6 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Common)

Thats what I get for not going to the REG for card abilities and just going off the provided card quote.  It makes sense now.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 12:44:03 PM »
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To be fair, Kor actually used the C/D version of Holy of Holies with the ability he posted so the wording is a bit trickier to interpret.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 07:16:45 PM »
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Actually I used the Holy of Holies ability from the official errata page. :)
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 07:55:28 PM »
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Quote from: Kor on April 04, 2011, 07:16:45 PM
Actually I used the Holy of Holies ability from the official errata page. :)

That errata is for the C/D versions only. The Priests version actually has the most updated wording.
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Re: Preventing the ability can't be interrupted.
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2011, 08:58:43 PM »
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Ah so when it says (all versions) that's just very outdated?
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