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Feedback Welcome - Add to Battle Gets It's Own REG Entry
« on: July 26, 2016, 02:13:20 PM »
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After Nationals we're considering making "add to battle" abilities distinct from banding and play abilities when they can perform other actions. This means that "Add to Battle" will have it's own special ability entry in the REG for the first time (as seen below).

For example, a card like Nebuchadnezzar who can add a qualifying character or enhancement to hand or battle is not a band ability even if the character is added to battle. It's also not a play ability if an Enhancement is added.

However, there area a few cards that use "add to battle" when all they ever really do is band. Those will remain banding cards and be addressed in a future "play as / errata" document that is in the works.

For example, Faith of Jacob (CoW) can add the taken Heroes to battle. Since that is the only option, this card will still be treated as a band ability if the characters are added to the battle.

Below are the updates that this will cause to the REG followed by a list of cards that use "add to battle". The ones with (band) after the card name are band abilities, not "add to battle" as is written on the card.

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Add to Battle
Released: 8/15/2016

General Description

An add to battle ability brings a card into the current battle and activates it's special ability.

How to Play

An add to battle ability targets the cards that are to be brought into battle.

An add to battle ability is instantaneous.

Default Conditions

●   Targets must be in a territory.
●   Add to battle abilities target cards of the same alignment.
●   Add to battle abilities can only add cards to a battle in which you are participating.
●   Adding a card to battle causes the player on that side of the battle to control the card. If a different player normally has Permanent Control of the card, the player on that side of the battle gains Temporary Control until the card leaves battle.

Special Conditions

●   A unique character can only enter the field of battle once per turn.
●   When an add to battle ability adds multiple cards into battle, add them in any order and activate them one at a time in the order the cards were added. Exception: Abilities that add other characters to battle activate after all other abilities on cards added to battle.

Clarifications

●    An add to battle ability is not a band ability unless it exclusively adds one or more characters to a side of the battle where at least one other character of the same alignment is always present.

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Clarifications

●   The phrase "add to battle" when used to exclusively add a character to a side of the battle where at least one other character of the same alignment is always present is a band ability.

These are the "Add to Battle" cards:

Boaz’ Sandal
You Will Remain
Unknown Nation
Madness
The Darkness
The Gates of Hell
Kir
Lost Soul (Psalm 35:20) (site guard)
Faith of Joshua
Renewing the Covenant
Gabriel Meets Zecharias
Faith of David
Faith of Jacob (band)
Answer to Prayer
Courage (band)
Two Olive Branches (band)
King Amaziah
River Flowing from the Temple (band)
Liberating Angel
Angel of Deliverance
Angelic Visitor
Zerubbabel
Spirit as a Dove
“He is Risen”
Patriarch Travels (band)
The Amalekite’s Slave
Egyptian Magicians
Nebuchadnezzar
Herod Phillip II
Chief Captain Lysias
Pharaoh’s Baker
Pharaoh’s Cupbearer
The Syrian Reinforcements
Evil Spawn
Divination

We welcome your feedback and questions about how this might impact the game we all enjoy.
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Re: Feedback Welcome - Add to Battle Gets It's Own REG Entry
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2016, 03:01:03 PM »
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For the Default Conditions, I'm questioning the "Targets must be in a territory" default condition.  Lots of "add to battle" abilities, like Egyptian Magicians and Evil Spawn, add cards to battle straight from deck.

Shouldn't the Default Condition be "Targets default to play, unless the Add To Battle ability specifies a different location"?  This is kinda the same issue that came up with Creation of the World, since the Default Condition for Band was "Targets default to play or hand".

I mean, Default Conditions are really just another way of saying "This is how things operate unless a special ability says to do otherwise", right?
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Re: Feedback Welcome - Add to Battle Gets It's Own REG Entry
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2016, 03:04:04 PM »
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I mean, Default Conditions are really just another way of saying "This is how things operate unless a special ability says to do otherwise", right?

Correct. That's why default conditions aren't going to account for things like Egyptian Magicians and Evil Spawn that say to do otherwise. Default conditions tell you what you can target when it's not already specified, such as with Gates of Hell, which can only add a demon to battle from your territory.
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Re: Feedback Welcome - Add to Battle Gets It's Own REG Entry
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2016, 11:20:21 PM »
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One question about the clarification: It is a band ability only if the add to battle ability can only add a character to battle, or only if it is used to add only characters to battle?

I would prefer the second option.
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Re: Feedback Welcome - Add to Battle Gets It's Own REG Entry
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2016, 12:31:18 AM »
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One question about the clarification: It is a band ability only if the add to battle ability can only add a character to battle, or only if it is used to add only characters to battle?

I would prefer the second option.

If I understand the question correctly, our plan is for it to be the former.

If an add to battle ability can ever not be a band ability then it will never be considered a band ability.
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Re: Feedback Welcome - Add to Battle Gets It's Own REG Entry
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2016, 12:07:39 PM »
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One more quick clarification...  HHI will not prevent/ignore good "Add to Battle" cards UNLESS the card is also a Band ability (like River Flowing From the Temple), correct?
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Re: Feedback Welcome - Add to Battle Gets It's Own REG Entry
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2016, 12:09:20 PM »
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