Author Topic: Grapes of Wrath/ SWS/ Hidden Treasures/ Sword of the Lord -FUN (Read 3267 times)

Cpt.Jaeger · « **on:** October 26, 2010, 01:47:35 PM »

EDITED- SEE REPLIES (specifically- the 3rd)

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A) I rescue attempt with Nathan with Hidden Treasures activated.

B) I play Sword of the Lord on Nathan (pre-block).

1) I choose my SWS to fight my Archers of Kedar.

2) I swap my SWS with my warriors beast from the sea, my opponents wall of protection is currently interrupted,
so i band to his demon banding chain (minus wandering spirit).

3) I band my Archers of Kedar to my opponent's phili banding chain, and discard a hero with AoK ability.

C) I play Grapes of Wrath to discard one of the phili giants, and shuffle the rest of the EC's into owners' decks.

D) The rescue attempt continues with Nathan. Opponent may block at this point.

Question 1- does all that work?
Question 2- What happens if after that all occurs, either Hidden treasures or sword of the Lord is negated?
Question 3- if the interrupting my opponent's WoP doesn't work that way, assume i used Peter's Curse. Then would it all work?
alternate solution- if my opponent is in control of one of the EC's, assume I picked 10/10 red dragon for him to control, rather than a banding card....

Professoralstad · « **Reply #1 on:** October 26, 2010, 01:55:48 PM »

1) No. You cannot control both sides of a side battle, even if you own both cards. It is up to you who gets what, and who enters battle first (for purposes of SA activation) but you must allow your opponent to, in this case, either use SWS or Archers of Kedar. Also, SWS interruption of Wall only lasts until his exchange and any resulting abilities are complete, if you choose to use him first, Wall would go back to being operational before Archers would kick in, even if you did control both sides.

2) Abilities that allow you to play cards (like Hidden Treasures) cannot be interrupted, so negating HT does nothing. However, SotL can be interrupted, so if it is negated, all abilities carried out in the side battle would be indirectly negated (so whoever Archers discarded would come back to life). Grapes cannot be negated directly or indirectly, however, so all EC's that it discarded/shuffled would remain discarded/shuffled.

3) Still no, but only because you can't control both sides of a side battle. WoP wouldn't stop anything if PC was on it.

A) Then everything would work as described, except of course only the bander and his associated banded characters would come in on your side.

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #2 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:06:06 PM »

So this would work....

A) I rescue attempt with Nathan with Hidden Treasures activated.

B) I play Sword of the Lord on Nathan (pre-block).

1) I choose my SWS (my control) to fight my original goliath (opponent's control).

2) I swap my SWS with my warriors beast from the sea, my opponents wall of protection is currently interrupted,
so i band BftS to his demon banding chain (minus wandering spirit).

C) I play Grapes of Wrath to discard one of my opponents demons in battle, and shuffle the rest of the EC's into owners' decks.

D) The rescue attempt continues with Nathan. Opponent may block at this point.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #3 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:27:20 PM »

Once you finish switching out SWS, WoP is no longer interrupted.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #4 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:30:27 PM »

From my understanding, Cpt.Jaeger, it does indeed work that way.

SomeKittens, WOP stays interrupted until all abilities are complete. That includes banding.

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #5 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:41:34 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on October 26, 2010, 02:30:27 PM

From my understanding, Cpt.Jaeger, it does indeed work that way.

SomeKittens, WOP stays interrupted until all abilities are complete. That includes banding.

that was my understanding: after SWS is swapped, it's ability continues until the swapped-for-character(s) ability(s) are complete as well

Korunks · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:46:43 PM »

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SomeKittens, WOP stays interrupted until all abilities are complete. That includes banding.

Are you sure about that, It seems to me that the interrupt would only cover SWS ability and end once the exchange is complete. Can someone poitn to me a rule or ruling that suggest otherwise?

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:48:49 PM »

You'd be correct in thinking that. But the exchange isn't complete until the character it exchanged for has its ability completed.

Korunks · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:52:40 PM »

Citation please, that is news to me. Once the exchange is completed, SWS ability is over and the exchanged for characters ability begins. At that point the interrupt is gone because SWS ability is complete. I am willing to be wrong, I just need the documentation to prove it.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:56:02 PM »

It works that way^[1].

This is an undeniable factual informational fact that is undeniable^[2].

D-man · « **Reply #10 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:56:32 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on October 26, 2010, 02:52:40 PM

Citation please, that is news to me. Once the exchange is completed, SWS ability is over and the exchanged for characters ability begins. At that point the interrupt is gone because SWS ability is complete. I am willing to be wrong, I just need the documentation to prove it.

Try reading Prof A's post.

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Also, SWS interruption of Wall only lasts until his exchange and any resulting abilities are complete, if you choose to use him first, Wall would go back to being operational before Archers would kick in, even if you did control both sides.

Korunks · « **Reply #11 on:** October 26, 2010, 03:14:57 PM »

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Try reading Prof A's post. Smiley

Well as nice a guy as he is, he is still only one elder. I always look for two when confirming a ruling.

Is there a ruling setting the precedence that interrupts cover other cards abilities?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2010, 03:34:37 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on October 26, 2010, 03:14:57 PM

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Try reading Prof A's post. Smiley

Well as nice a guy as he is, he is still only one elder. I always look for two when confirming a ruling.

Is there a ruling setting the precedence that interrupts cover other cards abilities?

Say I attack with Paul. You block with some random EC, and play some random card that discards Paul. I play Words of Encouragement, d3, and don't have anything to stop your EE. I then play Book of Hozai to draw three. I then play Book of Jashar to draw three more. Finally, I play Authority of Christ and your EE never reactivates. In that case, according to your logic, the battle should have ceased to be interrupted following the completion of Words, i.e. as soon as Book of Hozai is played, but before Book of Hozai takes effect. At the point I played Book of Hozai, I had completed the ability of Words, so I should be discarded before Book completes.

Obviously, that is not how it works, rather, completing the ability of Words includes completing the abilities of all cards that are played as a result of playing Words. Similarly, completing the ability of SWS includes completing the abilities of all cards that are played into battle because of SWS.

Master KChief · « **Reply #13 on:** October 26, 2010, 06:10:08 PM »

sauce/prof a is correct.

lets get past this 'need 2 elders to make a ruling' thing. a ruling by one elder is just as official as 2 elders in agreement.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2010, 06:16:34 PM »

What if there's one elder, but he's twice as old?

Gabe · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2010, 08:45:06 AM »

2nd elder to the rescue.

Prof A and those who agree with him are correct.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2010, 09:09:21 AM »

So the interrupter provided by SWS continues until the switched character is banded in and ability completed??

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2010, 01:20:44 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on October 27, 2010, 09:09:21 AM

So the interrupter provided by SWS continues until the switched character is banded in and ability completed??

yes, and if he can band, to a EC, who can band to an EC, who can band to an EC.... the interrupt continues until all of the ECs were able to enter battle and have their abilities fulfilled

Korunks · « **Reply #18 on:** October 27, 2010, 02:55:15 PM »

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sauce/prof a is correct.

lets get past this 'need 2 elders to make a ruling' thing. a ruling by one elder is just as official as 2 elders in agreement.

Thats not true:

Quote from: CactusRob on May 25, 2010, 07:10:40 AM

To help resolve ruling issues, the following people have authority to making rulings in the game. If at least two people on the list rule on an issue it can be read with a higher degree of confidence. Also, if one of these Elders post a ruling and states that the ruling was reached by consensus it can be understood to settle an issue.

1) Mike Berkenpas, 2) Tim Maly, 3) Bryon Hake, 4) Stephen Schafer, 5) Justin Alstad, 6) Gabe Isbell, 7) Kevin Shride, 8 ) Eric Largent,
9) Chris Bany, 10) John Michaliszyn, 11) Rob Anderson, 12) Roy Cruz, 13) Mark Underwood, 14) Jordan Alstad

emphasis mine, I have little confidence in a one elder ruling because often another elder will disagree. 2 elders or I rule it as I see it. Thats all I have to go on.

News:

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