Author Topic: Goshen Promo (Read 5987 times)

Gabe · « **on:** October 01, 2009, 10:37:18 PM »

Was there ever an official announcement about the new Goshen promo? Does it do what it says or what it was intended to do?

In other words, because the ability says how cards are added to the Fortress, my understanding is that cards cannot be added to it at will during the prep phase like the previous version of Goshen. Only Genesis and Exodus Heroes can go to Goshen and only when their toughness reaches */0 or less.

Pretty please can it work like intended or is this another Split Altar?

Goshen
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect contents from all effects. If your Genesis or Exodus Hero has toughness */0 or less, you may play it here instead of discarding it. • Identifiers: Holds any number of Heroes of up to three brigades • Verse: Exodus 9:26

DDiceRC · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:43:02 PM »

Now that you mention it, I think we played it "wrong" (but probably as intended). We played you could add/remove heroes as per the old Goshen, but that Gen/Ex heroes got "special treatment" if being discarded. But that really isn't "as written," is it?

Isildur · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:44:18 PM »

Quote from: DDiceRC on October 01, 2009, 10:43:02 PM

Now that you mention it, I think we played it "wrong" (but probably as intended). We played you could add/remove heroes as per the old Goshen, but that Gen/Ex heroes got "special treatment" if being discarded. But that really isn't "as written," is it?

That is how its supposed to be played... I dont know if Bryon or any one actualy confirmed this though...

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:44:41 PM »

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=17376.0

There is the thread the original discussion happened on.

I havent heard anything since then about it, so I'd like to know too.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2009, 04:42:37 PM »

I don't see how this could not be errata'd. This card will never be used as-is. You can't get your Gen/Ex heroes out as it stands.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2009, 04:57:58 PM »

Theres always a way!

SirNobody · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:14:48 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 02, 2009, 04:42:37 PM

I don't see how this could not be errata'd. This card will never be used as-is. You can't get your Gen/Ex heroes out as it stands.

You can get your Gen/Ex heroes out according to the current wording. There are hundreds of cards that "will never be used as-is" but none of them will receive errata because they are weak cards.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:31:35 PM »

Quote from: SirNobody on October 02, 2009, 05:14:48 PM

Hey,

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 02, 2009, 04:42:37 PM
I don't see how this could not be errata'd. This card will never be used as-is. You can't get your Gen/Ex heroes out as it stands.

You can get your Gen/Ex heroes out according to the current wording. There are hundreds of cards that "will never be used as-is" but none of them will receive errata because they are weak cards.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

how can you get them out? it doesn't specify.

SirNobody · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:40:17 PM »

Hey,

The same way you get a character out of Stronghold in the Desert of Judge's Seat.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Korunks · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:56:58 PM »

So Basically this card is worthless. You Can't add hero's like the old goshen, only if they drop below */0 and are genesis and exodus can they even get in. I am assuming that you can evacuate as many as you would like during prep phase(like Judge's seat, Stronghold in the desert, etc.).

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #10 on:** October 02, 2009, 06:19:10 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 02, 2009, 04:57:58 PM

Theres always a way!

Yeah, that'll go good with my blue Genesis deck.

Quote from: SirNobody on October 02, 2009, 05:40:17 PM

The same way you get a character out of Stronghold in the Desert of Judge's Seat.

Is there an unwritten rule that states fortresses that "hold" cards can also release them? Does that affect the demon and angel fortresses?

Soundman2 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 02, 2009, 06:37:25 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on October 02, 2009, 05:56:58 PM

So Basically this card is worthless. You Can't add hero's like the old goshen, only if they drop below */0 and are genesis and exodus can they even get in. I am assuming that you can evacuate as many as you would like during prep phase(like Judge's seat, Stronghold in the desert, etc.).

it doesn't say you can't add heros of any book of the bible. It says that if your gen/exd heros are */0 you can put them there instead of discarding them

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #12 on:** October 02, 2009, 07:18:07 PM »

Quote from: Soundman2 on October 02, 2009, 06:37:25 PM

Quote from: Korunks on October 02, 2009, 05:56:58 PM
So Basically this card is worthless. You Can't add hero's like the old goshen, only if they drop below */0 and are genesis and exodus can they even get in. I am assuming that you can evacuate as many as you would like during prep phase(like Judge's seat, Stronghold in the desert, etc.).

it doesn't say you can't add heros of any book of the bible. It says that if your gen/exd heros are */0 you can put them there instead of discarding them

and Son of God doesn't say that you can grab all the lost souls in the room from deck and in play.
but it doesn't say you can. thus, you can't.

sk · « **Reply #13 on:** October 02, 2009, 09:34:16 PM »

I'm not sure why this is still being discussed, as it was ruled on in the earlier thread (already posted above):

Quote from: Bryon on August 14, 2009, 09:54:39 PM

If a fort says it holds cards, then the default is that they can be added or removed during the prep phase only. If another timing/method of released is given, then that replaces the default.

Goshen heroes can be added or removed as you wish during the prep phase. It is very nice in a deck with Genesis or Exodus heroes, and fairly useful still in decks where you need to protect your heroes.

Quote from: Bryon on August 15, 2009, 12:59:32 AM

Apparently, when we added the extra way to let the heroes enter, we should have clarified that they can enter the default way, too. That was a good catch on your part.

So, Goshen DOES need errata/clarifiaction: You can put your heroes in Goshen during your prep phase.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #14 on:** October 02, 2009, 09:38:16 PM »

Quote from: sk on October 02, 2009, 09:34:16 PM

I'm not sure why this is still being discussed, as it was ruled on in the earlier thread (already posted above):

I never re-read the thread. You are indeed correct. Hopefully the REG will be updated to indicate the clarification. Thanks sk!

browarod · « **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:52:38 PM »

I have a clarification question about this. If your Gen/Ex hero is added due to the */0 condition, are they "reset" to full, as in you can remove them during your next prep phase and they'll be basically healed and default full numbers again?

Gabe · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:55:22 PM »

That appears to be the intention but I'm not exactly sure how that works based on the wording.

browarod · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2009, 02:07:46 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on October 03, 2009, 01:55:22 PM

That appears to be the intention but I'm not exactly sure how that works based on the wording.

Dang, if only I had known this during the last game I played. I was in a 3-player multiplayer game, and I had no heroes left. In addition, I had lost Son of God and Chariots of Fire (among other cards) due to that place enhancement that makes you discard a card each draw (or is it prep) phase. If I had known this, I could have had Goshen in my deck and possibly drawn it to save some of my heroes.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #18 on:** October 03, 2009, 02:27:22 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on October 02, 2009, 06:19:10 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 02, 2009, 04:57:58 PM
Theres always a way!

Yeah, that'll go good with my blue Genesis deck.

Ok fine, use this then. Picky.

browarod · « **Reply #19 on:** October 03, 2009, 02:31:44 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 03, 2009, 02:27:22 PM

Ok fine, use this then. Picky.

Resurrection

But that's not Genesis

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #20 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:54:53 PM »

Quote from: browarod on October 03, 2009, 02:31:44 PM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 03, 2009, 02:27:22 PM
Ok fine, use this then. Picky.

Resurrection
But that's not Genesis

it doesn't need to be. Son of God isn't Genesis...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #21 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:04:33 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 03, 2009, 03:54:53 PM

it doesn't need to be. Son of God isn't Genesis...

No, but the Genesis offense has cards that pull Genesis or OT cards from your deck.

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Author Topic: Goshen Promo (Read 5987 times)

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