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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Master Q on August 25, 2011, 01:26:41 PM
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1) If my Gen hero is decreased due to Gates o' Samaria, and I put it in Goshen instead, next turn if I return it to territory does it come back with full abilities(*/*) once again?
Goshen (P)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect contents from all effects. If your Genesis or Exodus Hero has toughness */0 or less, you may place it here instead of discarding it. • Play As: Protect contents from harm or effect. Place or return Heroes during your Preparation Phase. If your Genesis Hero or Exodus Hero has toughness */0 or less, you may place it here instead of discarding it. Goshen may hold any number of Heroes of up to three brigades.
2) If I play 7YoP on Benjamin in battle, and later play 7YoF, would the draw on 7YoP be negated?
Benjamin - "Genesis Enhancements CBN if all your human heroes are Genesis..."
7YoP - "Place in your territory for 7 turns: Each upkeep if you control a Genesis character, you may draw 1."
7YoF - "...Negate draw and ignore abilities..."
3) For all the good/evil enhancements, they count as both good/evil when in hand, discard pile and deck, but they can't be counted as evil if they've been played as a good enhancement, and vice-versa, correct?
4) Pharaoh's Baker never counts himself as part of the X, does he?
PB - "You may remove this EC from the game to draw X (max 3) and add your evil Genesis Egyptian to the battle. CBI." (X= #of your Genesis Humans)
5) Can Pharaoh's Cupbearer add a hero to the battle to fight the rescuer (like a Christian Suing Another scenario?) I would think not, but why not?
PC - "May capture this character to opponent's LoB to search your discard pile for a Genesis character (or a Genesis Artifact) and add your Genesis character to the battle. CBN."
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Goshen isn't a heal, so if you tried to bring them back, they'd just shoot back to Goshen.
Baker does not count himself. I had that ruled at Nats.
Cupbearer can never add a hero to battle (unless he's been converted [or maybe if he's fighting an EC, not sure]).
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Cupbearer can never add a hero to battle (unless he's been converted [or maybe if he's fighting an EC, not sure]).
Why not? There are several cards that band cards onto the opposing side (well, I can think of 2) why can't this one do that?
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You can't place cards into battle in an opponent's control unless specifically stated.
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You can't place cards into battle in an opponent's control unless specifically stated.
Alex is correct. However, he was designed with potential conversion/adding a Hero to battle in mind, so a converted Baker can add a Genesis Hero.
If you play 7yoP on Benjamin in battle, then it can never be negated, even by 7yoF. Same with Protection of Jerusalem if played by Michael in battle.
The targetability of DAEs (dual alignment enhancements) is under discussion. Apparently some of us played it different ways during playtesting, and the result is we are having a discussion about it. The prevailing opinion is that if a hero played it, it cannot be later targeted as an evil enhancement.
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so what about at face value? say targeted by Abes Kid in discard pile?
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Once cards hit deck, discard pile or hand, they reset. So you can target a dual alignment card in those places as either. (say, hit 7YoP with Kings Gabe)
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I know im hijacking thread a little but...
Can you target a covenant (I Am Grace) with A Soldiers Prayer?
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Red • Ability: None • Class: Territory • Special Ability: If used by a warrior class Hero, search your deck or discard pile for a red Enhancement. Shuffle this card into that pile. • Play As: If used by a warrior class Hero, search your deck or discard pile for a red Enhancement. Shuffle [return] this card into that pile. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Psalms 60:5 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()
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no, its not an enhancement in draw/discard pile, its a covenant.
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You can't place cards into battle in an opponent's control unless specifically stated.
In an opponent's control? What does that mean? You mean under opponent's control? I'm asking whether he can add a hero to fight the rescuer, not if he can add a hero to the opponent's side. It would be under my control.
Since Goshen doesn't specify the location of the place or return, can I place/return heroes from/to hand? Or is there some rule that says that's not allowed?
The targetability of DAEs (dual alignment enhancements) is under discussion. Apparently some of us played it different ways during playtesting, and the result is we are having a discussion about it. The prevailing opinion is that if a hero played it, it cannot be later targeted as an evil enhancement.
So if I go by the bolded wording, and place Drawn Sword beneath deck with Ezek, I couldn't later search for it with Nebby? The way we played it in booster was that if a hero played 7YoP, then you couldn't discard it with Aaron's Rod because it counted as what it was played at the time. I just wanted to make sure that was correct.
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Hi Josh,
In an opponent's control? What does that mean? You mean under opponent's control? I'm asking whether he can add a hero to fight the rescuer, not if he can add a hero to the opponent's side. It would be under my control.
Only side battle cards cause Heroes to fight Heroes or Evil Characters to fight Evil Characters. He is not a side battle card so that play is not legal.
Since Goshen doesn't specify the location of the place or return, can I place/return heroes from/to hand? Or is there some rule that says that's not allowed?
The default location for adding/removing cards from a Fortress is your territory. You're not allowed to add them to hand unless a special ability states that you can.
So if I go by the bolded wording, and place Drawn Sword beneath deck with Ezek, I couldn't later search for it with Nebby? The way we played it in booster was that if a hero played 7YoP, then you couldn't discard it with Aaron's Rod because it counted as what it was played at the time. I just wanted to make sure that was correct.
Using the logic Professorastad mentioned, DAE's are treated as both good and evil at face value. Cards remain at face value in the deck, discard pile and hand. So Ezekiel could target Drawn Sword to underdeck it, then Nebby could search for it. However, if 7YoP was played on a Hero, as a good Enhancement, it's no longer at face value, you've dedicated it as a good Enhancement, so Aaron's Rod would not discard it.
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If the current thinking about DAEs is kept, does that mean one played as a GE would not be considered evil at all (you've already said it wouldn't be an evil enhancement) until it hit a pile that resets it? As in, would I be able to discard 7YoP played off a hero with Balance?
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If the current thinking about DAEs is kept, does that mean one played as a GE would not be considered evil at all (you've already said it wouldn't be an evil enhancement) until it hit a pile that resets it? As in, would I be able to discard 7YoP played off a hero with Balance?
That would be the case.
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If the current thinking about DAEs is kept, does that mean one played as a GE would not be considered evil at all (you've already said it wouldn't be an evil enhancement) until it hit a pile that resets it? As in, would I be able to discard 7YoP played off a hero with Balance?
That would be the case.
Is the first question the case, or the second? lol