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Goliath Question
« on: October 22, 2010, 06:04:16 PM »
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On Goliath's Armor and Goliath's Spear, it say that he may "retain them as a weapon".
Can he hold both at the same time, or hold more than one?
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2010, 06:23:11 PM »
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One at a time.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2010, 06:27:54 PM »
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I don't see why he couldn't retain both. He was in the Bible, and nothing in the rules say otherwise.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2010, 10:12:49 AM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 22, 2010, 06:27:54 PM
I don't see why he couldn't retain both. He was in the Bible, and nothing in the rules say otherwise.

I agree, in reality someone could have armor, a spear, and a shield. I don't see why he shouldn't be able to hold his namesakes.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 10:30:47 AM »
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Does that mean my Huge Egyptian can both be on a horse and holding a spear?
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 10:47:01 AM »
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Quote from: SomeKittens on October 25, 2010, 10:30:47 AM
Does that mean my Huge Egyptian can both be on a horse and holding a spear?

I don't see why not, as long as he's on a Clydesdale.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2010, 10:56:44 AM »
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Quote from: SomeKittens on October 25, 2010, 10:30:47 AM
Does that mean my Huge Egyptian can both be on a horse and holding a spear?
The one weapon per character rule is found in the REG entry on WC characters, not WC enhancements.  So Goliath can hold both, but Huge Egyptian can't.

Quote from: REG
Warrior Class Characters
This is a special kind of character marked by a shield icon below its icon box. A warrior-class character may hold one weapon-class enhancement outside of battle.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2010, 01:24:14 PM »
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Hmm.  Interesting concept, I was under the impression that Goliath was Warrior Class.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2010, 01:27:45 PM »
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One of them is.  So the old one can hold both, but the new one can only hold one.  I think I'm reading that correctly. :)
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2010, 03:00:21 PM »
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Abilities override game rules, generally, so strictly speaking if you played Armor on WC Goliath during battle (or in territory via High Places), he'd be able to keep it due to Armor's place ability. Then, he could also hold an actual weapon via his WC status (like Spear, or something else). Armor just says hold, it doesn't say "as a weapon" like Spear, so I think this works.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2010, 03:26:47 PM »
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Technically, armor isn't usually a weapon.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2010, 03:27:25 PM »
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Quote from: SomeKittens on October 25, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
Technically, armor isn't usually a weapon.
A warrior could still wear it!
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2010, 03:43:43 PM »
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I would say he holds one by Warrior Class rules, and one by Identifier rules.

(assuming you are using the new Goliath)
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2010, 05:11:00 PM »
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Whichever actually.
And in T2 could he hold two of the same weapon?
Goliath's Armor + Goliath's Armor + Goliath's Spear + Goliath's Spear?
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2010, 05:17:28 PM »
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2010, 06:54:22 PM »
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Four Goliath's Spear! Little did we know, Goliath looks a lot like this guy:
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2010, 07:01:24 PM »
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Dats pretty nice.
8/10 x2 x4 + 0/5 x2 x4 + 10/10 = 74/130 + Foolish Advice = Wyn.
Then convert.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2010, 07:01:58 PM »
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Quote from: The M on October 25, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Dats pretty nice.
8/10 x2 x4 + 0/5 x2 x4 + 10/10 = 74/130 + Foolish Advice = Wyn.
Then convert.
WOOT!
Gather him to TSA.

But your math is a bit wrong. it wouldn't be 8/10 x2 x4. No name on name for special abilities.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2010, 10:22:43 AM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 25, 2010, 07:01:58 PM
Quote from: The M on October 25, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Dats pretty nice.
8/10 x2 x4 + 0/5 x2 x4 + 10/10 = 74/130 + Foolish Advice = Wyn.
Then convert.
WOOT!
Gather him to TSA.

But your math is a bit wrong. it wouldn't be 8/10 x2 x4. No name on name for special abilities.

wut? I always played it doubled the worth ability.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2010, 11:04:04 AM »
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Only the printed numbers are affected by name-on-name, not increases or decreases via special abilities.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2010, 11:05:31 AM »
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Quote from: browarod on October 26, 2010, 11:04:04 AM
Only the printed numbers are affected by name-on-name, not increases or decreases via special abilities.

So WC Goliath only becomes 18/20 even with NoN bonus?
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2010, 11:07:45 AM »
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Quote from: Master_Chi on October 26, 2010, 11:05:31 AM
Quote from: browarod on October 26, 2010, 11:04:04 AM
Only the printed numbers are affected by name-on-name, not increases or decreases via special abilities.

So WC Goliath only becomes 18/20 even with NoN bonus?
He becomes 18/20, yes. No NoN.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2010, 11:08:33 AM »
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In the case of cards with ability increases in the special ability, if there would be a name-on-name bonus, you either choose to use the NoN bonus OR the special ability increase, not both.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2010, 11:10:49 AM »
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Quote from: browarod on October 26, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
In the case of cards with ability increases in the special ability, if there would be a name-on-name bonus, you either choose to use the NoN bonus OR the special ability increase, not both.

Gotcha. Used to play he was 26/30, banded to Saph, Ishbib (w/ spear) and Lahmi (w/ spear). Major numbers FTW.
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Re: Goliath Question
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2010, 05:04:13 PM »
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Oh well. Now he is only 66/120.
This is an awesome idea can we move this to combos or something?
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