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IMO he'll be used for one major tournament then be shelved.

I don't know about shelved, but there may or may not be much better options after nationals

Better?!?  Good thing I already traded him away.

this raises concern for me as well.  If Goliath is played, would he not continue to kick out the opponents hero until it was a "giant slayer". and as far as the WoP. It is the owner of Goliath that is making a new hero be presented. (Goliath ability) So i would have to say you have to add from hand due to WoP.

Golaith's ability to return the Hero(es) to territory activates once and returns them once. It does not do it continually until you present a "giant slayer".

It says "opponent may present a new Hero". So who's presenting the new Hero? The opponent. That player is not stopped by their own Wall of Protection so the Hero can come from their territory.

Goliath (P)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 10 / 10 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Return all Heroes in battle to territory (except giant-slayers). Opponent may present a new Hero. Negate all band, draw, and play abilities. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Giant (Human), Philistia • Verse: I Samuel 17:44 • Availability: Promotional cards (2010 Regional Tournament)

That is blatantly false and breaks years of precedent. The opponent is not presenting the Hero, the opponent is choosing which Hero Goliath is bringing into battle.

Source?

That is blatantly false and breaks years of precedent. The opponent is not presenting the Hero, the opponent is choosing which Hero Goliath is bringing into battle.

My bad. Pol is correct. I was shooting from the hip and hadn't read the other posts above, I was only answering sgtme1.

Wall of Protection (Ap)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place this site in your territory. No character in your territory may be brought into battle by an opponent. • Play As: Protect characters in your territory from opponents' banding, choose (opponent), and side battle abilities.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 04, 2011, 02:43:13 PM

That is blatantly false and breaks years of precedent. The opponent is not presenting the Hero, the opponent is choosing which Hero Goliath is bringing into battle.

My bad. Pol is correct. I was shooting from the hip and hadn't read the other posts above, I was only answering sgtme1.

Wall of Protection (Ap)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place this site in your territory. No character in your territory may be brought into battle by an opponent. • Play As: Protect characters in your territory from opponents' banding, choose (opponent), and side battle abilities.

Goliath isn't any of the three abilities listed in the play-as.

That's not a Choose the Rescuer ability. It is a Withdraw/Return ability. The fact that the opponent can present a new rescuer is a separate ability that is not on Wall's Play-As list.

Ah, I see. So "withdraw" should be added to the play as for WoP.

Since I can't seem to get anything right on this thread I should probably just butt out.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on June 04, 2011, 03:09:51 PM

That's not a Choose the Rescuer ability. It is a Withdraw/Return ability. The fact that the opponent can present a new rescuer is a separate ability that is not on Wall's Play-As list.

Ah, I see. So "withdraw" should be added to the play as for WoP.

I would rather not see it added to the Play-As. This is the exact scenario that would make such an addition a pain. If you are forcibly withdrawn from battle, but allowed to bring in a new rescuer/blocker, the your own WoP should not stop that.

It actually is a CTR ability. It's just unique in that the opponent chooses the target of the CTR ability.

That is blatantly false and breaks years of precedent.

From the REG:

Instant Special Abilities > Choose Blocker or Rescuer > General Description

Choose opponent cards allow the holder to exchange the opponent’s character with another character. This special ability differs from Withdraw from Battle by allowing the holder to choose the character rather than the opponent.

Gabe is correct. The original wording on WoP protects from CTR, so to not include it would be errata. Since no errata has been issued for WoP, Goliath (as well as Lion Dwelling with the Calf and similar cards) are battle-winners with Wall up (excepting a character from hand).

Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 04, 2011, 03:34:54 PM

Goliath (as well as Lion Dwelling with the Calf and similar cards) are battle-winners with Wall up (excepting a character from hand).

I would like elder confirmation of this quote, since Polarius' arrogance does not suffice for me.

I can confirm it but with my track record on this thread (0/2 same stats as buckler, how awesome is that?!) I wouldn't blame you for requesting additional elder confirmation.

Thank you. I like to be certain going into States and Regionals.