Author Topic: Goliath (Read 7337 times)

Nameless · « **on:** May 31, 2011, 07:13:46 PM »

Your opponent goes out with Phillip and Bartholomew, you block with Goliath, and they go back. Your opponent choses Widow to take there place. Is Goliath pushed out of battle or is he just ignored and stays in battle?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:15:45 PM »

Quote from: Nameless on May 31, 2011, 07:13:46 PM

Your opponent goes out with Phillip and Bartholomew, you block with Goliath, and they go back. Your opponent choses Widow to take there place. Is Goliath pushed out of battle or is he just ignored and stays in battle?

He is just ignored and stays in battle.

Josh · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:16:39 PM »

He is ignored, but since he was already in battle, Goliath remains in battle... With infinite initiative, unless Widow's ability is negated.

Nameless · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:19:48 PM »

then you play bringing fear or foolish advise

Master KChief · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2011, 08:19:19 PM »

or jip, or chariots + any battle winner.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:13:56 PM »

unless he's just splashed in

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:54:45 PM »

well splashing Goliath with no enhancements is kind of silly.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:00:37 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on May 31, 2011, 09:54:45 PM

well splashing Goliath with no enhancements is kind of silly.

I'm silly.

Go go gadget Goliath!

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:22:56 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 31, 2011, 08:19:19 PM

jip

This is pretty much the worst idea to play on Goliath ever unless absolutely necessary.

Master KChief · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:39:05 PM »

i find winning battles defensively pretty necessary, regardless of what happens to my ec's *cough cough uzzah*.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:40:12 PM »

Goliath is easily recurrable. Uzzah isn't. Big difference.

Master KChief · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:01:47 PM »

the point is i take a block when available, regardless of what happens to my ec's. games at higher levels go to the person that makes the less mistakes and are usually a mere turn or two apart. its common sense you jip (on any ec for that matter) as a last resort in any battle. but letting a widow go because you refused to jip with your goliath, even early on, is a move not worth risking in the long run.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:35:07 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 31, 2011, 08:19:19 PM

or jip, or chariots + any battle winner.

Goliath negates draw and play abilities, so chariots is useless on him. I can't think of many black interrupts that aren't negates.

Master KChief · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:47:11 PM »

ah, forgot about that part. you can still pull it off with asherah pole in that case. hmm, i wonder if thats why everyone is buying poles from ken now...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2011, 04:13:08 PM »

So close to Evil play first....

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2011, 04:31:52 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on June 01, 2011, 04:13:08 PM

So close to Evil play first....

I can do it easily in Type 2, but like I have said repeatedly, I don't think Taunt is really that good because it's very limited when you can Taunt.

Noah · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2011, 06:05:59 PM »

Since I don't want to start a new thread I was wondering, if your opponent has wall of protetion in his teritory and you block with Goliath, can he Present a new hero?

Nameless · « **Reply #17 on:** June 01, 2011, 06:42:26 PM »

yes because then he is the one that is bringing the hero into battle

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:08:43 PM »

No. Goliath is an autoblock against all but Giant Slayers if WoP is up.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:15:15 PM »

"opponent may present a new blocker".

Quote from: Nameless on June 01, 2011, 06:42:26 PM

yes because then he is the one that is bringing the hero into battle

I agree.
Wall of Protection (Ap)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place this site in your territory. No character in your territory may be brought into battle by an opponent. • Play As: Protect characters in your territory from opponents' banding, choose (opponent), and side battle abilities. • Identifiers: Play to territory. • Verse: I Kings 9:15 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Ultra Rare)
See also:
• Protect

The opponent is not bringing a hero into battle. He's kicking one out. You can add another one if you'd like.

Josh · « **Reply #20 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:26:08 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on June 02, 2011, 09:15:15 PM

"opponent may present a new blocker".
Quote from: Nameless on June 01, 2011, 06:42:26 PM
yes because then he is the one that is bringing the hero into battle
I agree.
Wall of Protection (Ap)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place this site in your territory. No character in your territory may be brought into battle by an opponent. • Play As: Protect characters in your territory from opponents' banding, choose (opponent), and side battle abilities. • Identifiers: Play to territory. • Verse: I Kings 9:15 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Ultra Rare)
See also:
• Protect

The opponent is not bringing a hero into battle. He's kicking one out. You can add another one if you'd like.

So if you have $4 Coin up and I block your rescue attempt with Emperor Galba, you have to discard a card from hand because you're choosing the card to discard? When the heroes are kicked out by Goliath, a new one isn't placed in battle by game rule - it's placed in battle because Goliath's ability says so.

Nameless · « **Reply #21 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:31:36 PM »

Goliath's ability says

Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 10 / 10 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Return all Heroes in battle to territory (except giant-slayers). Opponent may present a new Hero. Negate all band, draw, and play abilities. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Giant (Human), Philistia • Verse: I Samuel 17:44 • Availability: Promotional cards (2010 Regional Tournament)
It says that he choses the hero so i would think that a new hero could be brought into battle

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #22 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:40:47 PM »

Dove says "Opponent must Discard an Evil Card from hand or battle." A PotW in battle against a lone Hero playing Dove cannot be Discarded by it.

"Opponent may" wording is simply signposting that opponent gets to chose the target. The original card is still doing the targeting. If WoP is up, the opponent can't chose a new Hero because they're protected from Goliath's ability.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #23 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:42:06 PM »

Oh my. Goliath is even better than I thought. And I thought he was pretty good.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #24 on:** June 02, 2011, 10:09:14 PM »

You can bring in a new hero from your hand.

In theory, the new "Play As" for WoP will be in effect when Goliath becomes playable, so this will be moot, since Goliath's SA is none of the things listed in the "Play As."

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