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people will probably be buying starter decks just for that card, and the resulting stampede will cause the gap between the rich and the poor to widen.

People buying starter decks is a good thing for the game.  And if the gap between rich and poor is just $10, then our country is in a lot better shape than I thought

And I disagree that this rule change will hurt defense.  I am a huge fan of defense, and I know that using SoG+NJ defensively against a speed deck happens a lot less often than them using SoG+NJ for the win.  And often they have to take their own LSs to do it.  Forcing them to wait for my LSs will give my defense more time to set up, and therefore will actually help defense.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 27, 2011, 09:32:12 PM

That would never work in T1. All it would do is make 100% of decks Geneptians.

I agree with you, except for the part where that's completely untrue. Genesis has one card that's essentially a guaranteed soul, and that's Cupbearer. There's also Joseph Before Pharaoh, but that's not as reliable. In the meantime, you have prophets with Hosea, which is pretty much guaranteed to generate a soul or two unless your opponent is using very little defense, you have Luke, which is excellent at generating souls. As it goes, Genesis is not top dog when it comes to soul generation, by a long shot.

And everyone plays with defenses these days. 

1. SoG and NJ are more effective defensively together then separate.  I can stop some one with 2 lost souls in my LoB
2. Think of the guys you are playing ageist if you are winning.  Losing 3 to 0 with no defensive SoG and NJ are a marcy then.  Or the revers I'm losing 3 to 0 I can at lest get 2.
3. They can be stopped in multiple ways

In the thread on the playtester's board, the playtesters that have posted seem ok with testing the idea, but are split as to whether it would be a good idea. In the interest of full disclosure, I am against the idea. I have played now three games with a deck designed to abuse the rule, and have won 5-1, 5-0, 5-3. In the 5-3 win, my opponent managed to have SoG/NJ with ~30+ cards left in his deck, and rescued the other half of a three-liner (I drew my SoG/NJ in my bottom three cards--yes, I was playing a full-fledged speed deck). In the other two games, the rule didn't affect me at all, as I was easily able to produce enough LS's when I needed them, while at the same time keeping my opponent from possibly blocking me with his own big two.

IMO, not a necessary change, and it won't "fix" any perceived problem with either NJ or speed decks.