Author Topic: Gold Shield and Negate (Read 5830 times)

Tracer Burnout · « **on:** March 30, 2010, 02:37:36 PM »

If I discard a gold shield from my evil character to change the brigade of my opponent(say from red to white). Does this allow him to play a Red negate?

Master KChief · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2010, 02:41:44 PM »

nope. which is why shield is so awesome.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2010, 02:43:44 PM »

Correct. You are not removing the Hero from battle with GS, so there is no "special initiative" granted when you play it. So it completes, and by the time your opponent could negate it, his hero is white.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2010, 05:14:30 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 30, 2010, 02:43:44 PM

Correct. You are not removing the Hero from battle with GS, so there is no "special initiative" granted when you play it. So it completes, and by the time your opponent could negate it, his hero is white.

What if init is transfered after GShield fires off, could a negate be played then?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2010, 05:24:50 PM »

Nope. The ability has been completed.

Master KChief · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2010, 05:35:18 PM »

a negate in the color converted to could be played. i think some negates can hit gold shiled...

Professoralstad · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2010, 05:49:56 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on March 30, 2010, 05:35:18 PM

a negate in the color converted to could be played. i think some negates can hit gold shiled...

Correct. A "negate last enhancement" card would negate Gold Shield, and an "interrupt the battle" card would interrupt it. However, a negate all, like Blessings, would not negate it, since it isn't in play to be negated at the time.

Tracer Burnout · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2010, 10:27:30 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 30, 2010, 05:49:56 PM

Quote from: Master KChief on March 30, 2010, 05:35:18 PM
a negate in the color converted to could be played. i think some negates can hit gold shiled...

Correct. A "negate last enhancement" card would negate Gold Shield, and an "interrupt the battle" card would interrupt it. However, a negate all, like Blessings, would not negate it, since it isn't in play to be negated at the time.

But that "negate last enhancement" would have to be the color of the brigade that the hero is AFTER the Gold Shield has changed it right? Same with interrupt?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2010, 10:38:19 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 30, 2010, 05:49:56 PM

A "negate last enhancement" card would negate Gold Shield...

"Negate last enhancement" cards typically end with the words "played this battle," or something similar, do they not? Seems to me like this would not work, as Gold Shield was not actually "played" during that battle. Am I missing something?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2010, 10:53:37 PM »

It was played via activation.

redemption101 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2010, 11:29:16 PM »

now my question is ....
a ec converted with gold shield via HG. That ec makes a rescue attempt can it now use gold shield on any hero to change its color?

Gabe · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2010, 11:35:21 PM »

Quote from: redemption101 on March 30, 2010, 11:29:16 PM

now my question is ....
a ec converted with gold shield via HG. That ec makes a rescue attempt can it now use gold shield on any hero to change its color?

Yes. Weapons convert. Changing a Heroes brigade is not harming it. The ability works. Have fun.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2010, 12:22:15 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on March 30, 2010, 11:35:21 PM

Quote from: redemption101 on March 30, 2010, 11:29:16 PM
now my question is ....
a ec converted with gold shield via HG. That ec makes a rescue attempt can it now use gold shield on any hero to change its color?

Yes. Weapons convert. Changing a Heroes brigade is not harming it. The ability works. Have fun.

Question: Heroes can't harm other heroes (Per the ANB ruling) so does that mean all ec's converted abilities work?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2010, 04:14:47 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 30, 2010, 10:53:37 PM

It was played via activation.

Did that ever actually get settled?

Tracer Burnout · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2010, 08:27:21 AM »

Quote from: Tracer Burnout on March 30, 2010, 10:27:30 PM

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 30, 2010, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: Master KChief on March 30, 2010, 05:35:18 PM
a negate in the color converted to could be played. i think some negates can hit gold shiled...

Correct. A "negate last enhancement" card would negate Gold Shield, and an "interrupt the battle" card would interrupt it. However, a negate all, like Blessings, would not negate it, since it isn't in play to be negated at the time.

But that "negate last enhancement" would have to be the color of the brigade that the hero is AFTER the Gold Shield has changed it right? Same with interrupt?

Can anyone answer this question?

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2010, 09:34:54 AM »

Quote from: Tracer Burnout on March 30, 2010, 10:27:30 PM

But that "negate last enhancement" would have to be the color of the brigade that the hero is AFTER the Gold Shield has changed it right? Same with interrupt?

Correct. Gold Shield is awesome.

And yes, Gold Shield is considered played.

Kirk

Tracer Burnout · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2010, 09:42:14 AM »

Thank you Kirk

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2010, 09:54:58 AM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on March 31, 2010, 09:34:54 AM

And yes, Gold Shield is considered played.

Do you have any evidence?!?!?

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2010, 09:56:50 AM »

At least in my opinion, it seems reasonable that any card that activates during a battle is a card that you "played." You played the card in battle along with the character that it resides on.

Kirk

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2010, 10:03:04 AM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on March 31, 2010, 09:56:50 AM

At least in my opinion, it seems reasonable that any card that activates during a battle is a card that you "played." You played the card in battle along with the character that it resides on.

Kirk

Personally, I feel like to play a card should have something to do with putting it in play, but I suppose anything can be defined dumbly in Redemption.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2010, 10:08:48 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 31, 2010, 10:03:04 AM

Quote from: Captain Kirk on March 31, 2010, 09:56:50 AM
At least in my opinion, it seems reasonable that any card that activates during a battle is a card that you "played." You played the card in battle along with the character that it resides on.

Kirk
Personally, I feel like to play a card should have something to do with putting it in play, but I suppose anything can be defined dumbly in Redemption.

I agree. otherwise that one card from Tin 11 is basically useless.

Tracer Burnout · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2010, 10:15:35 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on March 31, 2010, 10:03:04 AM

Quote from: Captain Kirk on March 31, 2010, 09:56:50 AM
At least in my opinion, it seems reasonable that any card that activates during a battle is a card that you "played." You played the card in battle along with the character that it resides on.

Kirk
Personally, I feel like to play a card should have something to do with putting it in play, but I suppose anything can be defined dumbly in Redemption.

Isn't it in play when its in battle? After it is discarded then it's not longer IN play and therefore can't be targeted by a negate right?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2010, 10:34:39 AM »

I would like to see a scrap of evidence that cards are "played" when they enter battle. If I were a judge, I would rule that they are not.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2010, 11:27:44 AM »

It was ruled with ruthless vs adino's spear that weapons (when no other enh is played) are the last enhancements played cuz they were the last enhancements to enter battle.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2010, 11:48:27 AM »

Quote from: Tracer Burnout on March 31, 2010, 10:15:35 AM

Isn't it in play when its in battle? After it is discarded then it's not longer IN play and therefore can't be targeted by a negate right?

There are a few negates that can specifically target them, even though they are no longer in play. I can't think of the list off the top of my head.

Kirk

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