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That is awesome, and I agree completely. Thanks Bryon.

Quote from: BrianGabe on August 13, 2008, 02:26:58 PM

What we're talking about here is a new precedent since Golden Shield is the first card to convert a Hero but allow it to keep it's Hero status.  In the past convert cards removed the character from battle which caused initiative to be passed.  Since Golden Shield doesn't cause the character to leave battle and the SA does not (directly) cause them to lose, I would rule that the Hero does not get initiative to play an interrupt/negate in their prior brigade, only in the new brigade that is chosen by Golden Shield.

This is correct.  I'm playing catch-up on 4 pages of ruling questions, so I'm going to pass on reading beyond the first page on this thread. 

The rules give a player a chance to play a negate based on "prior state" in only one case: Losing By Removal.  Gold Shield does not remove the hero from the battle, so the hero does not get the chance to use a negate based on prior state.  The player may only play a negate of the new brigade color.

Just so I'm straight on this: if my King David in battle is replaced with red David with a CTR card, is King David considered removed?

You see, to me this is the same situation as a hero that changes brigade with Gold Shield.  Same hero, different brigades.  The only difference between the two situations is that in one the hero is on two separate physical cards.  And that's a distinction that can become confusing to some.

if my King David in battle is replaced with red David with a CTR card, is King David considered removed?

yes

I'm happy with the new ruling, but I wonder how long it will take before MN decides to accept this ruling as well.

Are you kidding?  We were already playing it that way.

Essentially non-negatable evil battle winner, for...uh...for the win, I guess.

I basically agree with the logic and ruling posted by Byron (and people on that side of the argument).

I do have a question though:

If I make a rescue with a green Miriam and they block with Rezin and Gold shield and use it to convert Miriam to white,   What happens when I play Words of Encouragement?  Since that would interrupt Gold Shield, is my Miriam temporarily green again and I have to play a green enhancement with the play next ability?

Not so, the playing of cards cannot be negated.

words only interrupts the battle. gold shield discards itself when used, so it is no longer in battle.

Actually...

http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/howtouse14.htm

‘Interrupt the battle’ interrupts all active ongoing abilities on characters and enhancements (e.g. Red Dragon), abilities that are causing you to lose the battle by removal (e.g. King Zimri), as well as the last enhancement played in the current battle if it was played by your opponent.  Interrupting the battle interrupts the battle flow at the point where you played the interrupt.  It does not send you back to the beginning of the battle and does not include special abilities completed prior to the interrupt being played that are no longer pending.

So if you had initiative and an interrupt the battle card of the right brigade, you would be able to use it to stop golden shield.

Quote from: Master KChief on August 26, 2008, 06:29:47 PM

words only interrupts the battle. gold shield discards itself when used, so it is no longer in battle.

Actually...

http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/howtouse14.htm

‘Interrupt the battle’ interrupts all active ongoing abilities on characters and enhancements (e.g. Red Dragon), abilities that are causing you to lose the battle by removal (e.g. King Zimri), as well as the last enhancement played in the current battle if it was played by your opponent.  Interrupting the battle interrupts the battle flow at the point where you played the interrupt.  It does not send you back to the beginning of the battle and does not include special abilities completed prior to the interrupt being played that are no longer pending.

So if you had initiative and an interrupt the battle card of the right brigade, you would be able to use it to stop golden shield.

gold shield is an instant ability, not an ongoing ability. it cannot be interrupted, only negated.

Right.  I think the wording can be a bit confusing.

Since it says " ‘Interrupt the battle’ interrupts all active ongoing abilities on characters and enhancements", if it only interrupted ongoing abilities then there would be no need for it to also say "as well as the last enhancement played in the current battle if it was played by your opponent."

I think the phrase you bolded is just reiterating that it doesn't interrupt instant abilities that are NOT the last enhancement played by opponent.

You can interrupt the battle to interrupt Gold Shield, provided you have a card in the appropriate brigade to do so.

im fairly certain words, reach, etc cannot interrupt instant abilities. the part i bolded looks pretty clear to me, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. if its not a pending/ongoing ability, it cannot be interrupted via words/reach/etc. its not a reiteration of the first clause, its a clarification.

Next time someone plays reach against my battle winner I will tell them your ruling.

from the REG:

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abilities that are causing you to lose the battle by removal

You can interupt most battle winners with reach.


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