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The KChief's conclusion is contradictory to the rules, and invents other rules where none exist.

absolutely, but it basically boils down to a 'you're wrong, im right' kind of ideal with no supporting arguments whatsoever.

This is another completely untrue statement.  I have given you numerous examples where your conclusion does not hold up under the rules.  No response from you.  I have pointed out where your examples are wrong.  No response from you.  I have pointed out where your statements of fact are flat-out wrong.  No response from you.  You have demonstrated in great detail what you choose to ignore, but sadly, it is not the thing you wrongly accuse me of making.

Now, at what point can we actually start talking honestly about what's being discussed?

miriam has changed to a white hero by the time she is able to play a negate. she can not magically turn herself into green to play that negate.

Why not?  None of your previous reasons make sense; do you have one that does?

It's a maturity war!

Hey,

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If the last ability used in battle was a character defeating ability then you can play any negate that you can play in the current state of battle (after the character defeating ability), or you can play any negate that you could have played immediately prior to the last ability used in battle (before the character defeating ability).

If the last ability used in battle was not a character defeating ability then you can only play a negate that you can play in the current state of battle (after the last ability happened).

Choose the blocker (after a blocker was presented), Convert (from a Hero to an Evil Character), and Discard an evil card from hand or battle (if it discards an Evil Chracter in battle) are character defeating abilities.  Thus you can negate based on the state of battle before or after the event.

Converting a hero from one brigade to another brigade is not a character defeating ability.  Thus you can only negate it based on the state of battle after the abilty completes (i.e. with the new brigade).

For more information see the very old debate about Third Heaven discarding Devourer from hand (as previously referenced by Nesfeder.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

Hey,

* skips the last two pages of this dscussion *

If the last ability used in battle was a character defeating ability then you can play any negate that you can play in the current state of battle (after the character defeating ability), or you can play any negate that you could have played immediately prior to the last ability used in battle (before the character defeating ability).

If the last ability used in battle was not a character defeating ability then you can only play a negate that you can play in the current state of battle (after the last ability happened).

Choose the blocker (after a blocker was presented), Convert (from a Hero to an Evil Character), and Discard an evil card from hand or battle (if it discards an Evil Chracter in battle) are character defeating abilities.  Thus you can negate based on the state of battle before or after the event.

Converting a hero from one brigade to another brigade is not a character defeating ability.  Thus you can only negate it based on the state of battle after the abilty completes (i.e. with the new brigade).

For more information see the very old debate about Third Heaven discarding Devourer from hand (as previously referenced by Nesfeder.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

*breathless* thank you...thank you maly.

Scheaf, what does your position boil down to?  You can negate based on the current or previous state of the battle, regardless of what the last enhancement was?

If you stated it, maybe I missed it - I skipped the last 2 pages, like Tim.

yes, the ability to change a hero to the color of your choice is a new one, but its just logic. she is not losing the battle because she switched wardrobes. she is losing the battle because of numbers.

Obedience of Noah does not cause you to be losing the battle except by the numbers.

But Obedience of Noah forces an Evil Character out of battle, to which you may respond with an interrupt because the evil character is be removed from battle.

In the green to white Miriam case, she is not being forced out of battle.

furthermore fact or fiction?

If I play Lies on your hero, can you interrupt it?-yes. What about Sarah's Jealousy? Yes. In essence all I am doing is changing the color of the hero, even though it is someone new, the fact remains I could cause you to lose by numbers but the ability still gets interrupted. Gold Shield will work the same way, unless you make it CBN, end of story...I don't understand how we get any other result...

And while I agree about the removal from battle, by changing a color, in essence you are doing just that, removing the ability for primary colors to be played on a hero. So let's just change it to removal of anything causes a chance to interrupt, whether color, character or whatever...

Quote from: Colin Michael on August 13, 2008, 07:40:21 PM

But Obedience of Noah forces an Evil Character out of battle, to which you may respond with an interrupt because the evil character is be removed from battle.

No.  You may respond with an interrupt because the new EC is losing by the numbers.  If your opponent chose a high EC to give himself initiative, he gets to play more Enhancements and your opportunity to interrupt is gone.

Again, the notion that forcing out of battle is what allows the interrupt is not correct.  Choose blocker resolves with initiative decided by the numbers, not by the removal of a character.

Can you site the REG on this one?

And while I agree about the removal from battle, by changing a color, in essence you are doing just that, removing the ability for primary colors to be played on a hero. So let's just change it to removal of anything causes a chance to interrupt, whether color, character or whatever...

yeeeeeeeah...thats really stretching it...

Or not change it at all, and leave it at transfer of initiative.  Since that's what allows you to negate a choose-character, or the removal of one of several characters from battle, even though the ability has resolved, and even though it is not a battle-winning/ending ability.