Author Topic: Glory of the Lord (Read 5068 times)

The Guardian · « **on:** August 16, 2009, 06:09:56 PM »

Glory of the Lord ~ Place in territory. Solomon's Temple and the artifact in it cannot be discarded or negated by an opponent.

Book of the Covenant ~ Holder may activate two covenants on this artifact.

If I have Book of the Covenant in Solomon's Temple (+Glory) with a covenant or two on it, are the covenants also protected by Glory?

frisian9 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2009, 06:12:29 PM »

Yes. The Covenants are being played as artifacts, so should be treated as artifacts.

Mike

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2009, 06:39:53 PM »

I'm not positive about this. Although I'm inclined to agree with the above, GotL only refers to one artifact, so I'm not sure.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2009, 06:44:30 PM »

Yes, it refers to one being targeted...

The Guardian · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2009, 06:45:06 PM »

That was the reason for my question BB--should "and the artifact in it" be interpreted as "and the artifact(s) in it."

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2009, 06:51:11 PM »

I remember this from a while ago.

Opponent plays DoN and chooses your Covenant of Noah on your BoC in your Temple protected by GotL.

You read the ability of GotL, which says "the artifact in it."

You both look at the Temple and see that Covenant of Noah is in the Temple and it is an artifact.

Your opponent says, "Rats!"

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2009, 08:36:05 PM »

I think that since GotL's artifact target is worded singularly, only one artifact could be protected by it.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2009, 08:38:01 PM »

Exactly. And that one is the one that your opponent is trying to target.

The Guardian · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2009, 08:43:56 PM »

The question arises because of Crucify Him, which targets both Covenants and Book at the same time.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2009, 08:49:04 PM »

Hm...would the holder be able to choose the one to keep?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2009, 08:55:56 PM »

Noone uses Crucify Him....

OK, let's try this instead:

Book of the Covenant says "Holder may activate two covenants on this artifact."

Activate is defined in the rulebook (p.37) as "A card is activated when its special ability can be put to use."

I am curious whether covenants activated on Book ever really are considered artifacts. The SA of Book seems to be a way of "activating" the SA as a covenant.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:01:06 PM »

I would think that the covenants would become artifacts once they hit the artifact pile. However, if they go to BotC straight from your hand...hmmm...

The Guardian · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:02:40 PM »

Covenants being used as Artifacts are considered both a Covenant and an Artifact. Covenants being used as Enhancements are considered both a Covenant and an Enhancement.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:04:07 PM »

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Worst rule ever......

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:06:48 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on August 16, 2009, 09:02:40 PM

Covenants being used as Artifacts are considered both a Covenant and an Artifact. Covenants being used as Enhancements are considered both a Covenant and an Enhancement.

I realize that, but BoC activates their SA as neither. It says to activate the Covenant. That's it. It is not in the Artifact Pile and it is not active on the Temple since it is not a Temple Artifact. I think this generates an exception.

The Guardian · « **Reply #15 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:08:10 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 16, 2009, 09:04:07 PM

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Worst rule ever......

Care to elaborate on that?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:08:28 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on August 16, 2009, 09:02:40 PM

Covenants being used as Artifacts are considered both a Covenant and an Artifact. Covenants being used as Enhancements are considered both a Covenant and an Enhancement.

I know this, but would a covenant be an artifact if it went to BotC straight from hand? As YMT said, BotC doesn't specify that the covenants are activated as either artifacts or enhancements. (And BTW, there are some artifacts - Altar of Burnt Offering and Table of Showbread - that can hold/activate enhancements)

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #17 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:11:26 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on August 16, 2009, 09:08:10 PM

Care to elaborate on that?

Don't go there....

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #18 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:11:43 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on August 16, 2009, 09:08:10 PM

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 16, 2009, 09:04:07 PM
^
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Worst rule ever......

Care to elaborate on that?

I just dislike it, because at face value it's neither an Artifact nor an Enhancement, even though you can choose for it to be either.... It's like saying I can't search for Brass Serpent with A Soldier's Prayer because its not red, its multi color. I can't search for a Covenant (or Curse) with a card that says enhancement, even though a covenant is one....

Its not the worst rule ever.
But it is really annoying, and makes little sense to me...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #19 on:** August 16, 2009, 09:23:56 PM »

Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on August 16, 2009, 09:11:43 PM

I just dislike it, because at face value it's neither an Artifact nor an Enhancement, ...

If that is true, then my point stands.

Soundman2 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:03:25 PM »

I always intrepid it like this in the draw pile its a covenant until it hits your hand, the table, or the artifact pile. also GotL if I'm interrupting this right protects what is being targeted, so if I DoN a book of the covenant in a temple with GoTL it protects the book if you target a covenant it protects it.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #21 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:14:52 PM »

I am curious now whether RDT's quote is true. If a face-value Covenant is neither an artifact nor an enhancement, and BotC activates the Covenant as a Covenant (rather than either of the others), then GotL would not protect Covenants activated on BotC in the Temple (since they are not artifacts). Of course, they could only be targeted as a Covenant (and not a Covenant activated as an artifact).

All of this is moot, however, if by default protecting BotC protects its contents.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #22 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:16:59 PM »

That default doesn't work*.

*Kingdoms of this world being discarded with evil characters rulings

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #23 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:18:57 PM »

But was that a case where the ECs were protected and the fortress wasn't? Here the fortress is protected.

The Guardian · « **Reply #24 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:26:54 PM »

A Covenant activated on Book of the Covenant is considered an Artifact and a Covenant. Enhancements only activate on Heroes so the example of Table of Showbread holding an enhancement doesn't apply.

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Author Topic: Glory of the Lord (Read 5068 times)