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None of them are, because they all refer to specific people.

I'm not sure on Baker and Cupbearer because a Pharaoh (or just about anyone) can have tons of Bakers and Cupbearers. As to the Dreaming Pharaoh, I already thought he was unique, I just wanted to be sure though, because that would be fun for T2.

They're referring to the specific people Joseph interpreted dreams for in Genesis. They're unique.

I know what it's referencing too. I guess it would have been much easier for them to just put Unique in their Identifier. That would have helped a lot more, because Bakers and Cupbearers are groups especially if they were for a high official like a Pharaoh. (it actually mentions other Bakers/Cupbearers that were doing their job later in Genesis) But I guess it would just help people like me then.

Also is Warden unique then too?

I know what it's referencing too. I guess it would have been much easier for them to just put Unique in their Identifier. That would have helped a lot more, because Bakers and Cupbearers are groups especially if they were for a high official like a Pharaoh. (it actually mentions other Bakers/Cupbearers that were doing their job later in Genesis) But I guess it would just help people like me then.

Also is Warden unique then too?

Yup because it again refers to a specific group.

Generic vs. Unique works like this: [quote:REG]Generic Characters represent groups or non-specific characters in the Bible or Church History.[/quote]

If, baker or cup-bearer or warden did not have the identifying adjective in front of them they would be generic.  Since however they are preceded by adjectives describing who they were in history they are generic. 

That's why pharisees is generic, but entrapping pharisees is unique.  Because it refers to a specific person is history. 

There are a few exceptions to this general rule, proud pharisee is one of them, or at least he is at fist glance.  It would seem he is unique since it refers to a specific pharisee with an adjective describing him.  However, since proud pharisee was not an actual person and just a character in a parable he does not meet the full requirement of being a specific person in 'history.' 

I hope this help.

Blessings,

Wings

Okay, I just wish that they would put Unique Identifer on some more Generic looking cards. Also, The Entrapping Pharisees should be Generic in my sight, because all the Pharisees (except Nicodemus, Gamiel, and Joseph of Aromothea) were trying to Entrap Jesus.

Okay, I just wish that they would put Unique Identifer on some more Generic looking cards. Also, The Entrapping Pharisees should be Generic in my sight, because all the Pharisees (except Nicodemus, Gamiel, and Joseph of Aromothea) were trying to Entrap Jesus.

The card designers also specifically made Entrapping Pharisees unique because they discovered in playtesting that a Pharisee band that brought 5 (that was the limit back then) TEPs into battle was OP.

I definately can see that. I'd just like it if they'd have Unique on cards that have very good potential to be Generic like those cards.

As I said before, if it doesn't specifically say "Generic" on it then it's unique. They don't need to put unique on all the unique cards when they already do the opposite with the non-unique ones.

Well, one of the triplets was having trouble with that before too. I think it was Chaldeans (P) that doesn't have the same Identifiers as Chaldeans (UR) according to REG and I thought it was the generic Identifier. Although that was last Christmas when Kirk held his tournaments.

You're right that the promo and prophets versions list different identifiers in the REG. However, anytime that is true, and it's referring to the same people, all the identifiers apply to all versions of the card. Chaldeans is a generic card.

Promos seem to have a higher rate of errors than other cards (Split Altar worded wrong, Chaldeans missing an identifier, Goliath being from Sammuel, etc.).

It doesn't seem very reasonable to want the playtesters to do extra work just to make something even clearer than it already is....

Rule of thumb: If it has "The" in the title, it's unique. If it refers to a specific real person, it's unique. If it has a Generic identifier, it's Generic.

Correct.  In fact, we often add "The" to card titles during playtesting to make it very clear to players that the card is ruled unique.

I'm saying more towards Baker/Cupbearer and they're easy possibility to be Generic.

Not really. They reference very specific people in a very specific event in the Bible. Reading the verse on the card is a great help to figuring out generic/unique status.