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My question remains the same, if Women as Snares is banded in, how can she "block" when thats a one time deal?

I say if an EC enters the field of battle against a hero at any time, it is blocking, and should be counted as such. Every time an EC enters, it is also blocking, and should be counted as such, meaning, thorn in the Flesh should activate numerous times if a chain of panic demons enters battle.

I don't think that seperation is even required. Why is there even a difference?

Sounds like a bottom-up ruling to me. Thought we didn't have those anymore.

There's that, too.

Found it:

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=17424.0

Theres the thread with the ruling.

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on May 06, 2010, 12:22:47 PM

My question remains the same, if Women as Snares is banded in, how can she "block" when thats a one time deal?

I say if an EC enters the field of battle against a hero at any time, it is blocking, and should be counted as such. Every time an EC enters, it is also blocking, and should be counted as such, meaning, thorn in the Flesh should activate numerous times if a chain of panic demons enters battle.

"When using this character to block" = "When this character is blocking" =/= "When you block with this character". It's a subtle difference in ongoing vs. instantaneous action.

   D'OH!  THIS IS MADNESS!  YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!  CHARLIE BROWN, YOU BLOCKHEAD!

(I don't usually yell, but then my wife does say that my voice is always very loud, so maybe all caps works for me.  )

But seriously, block/is blocking/blocked/will block/was blocked/would have been blocking/etc. works the same as all the forms of the word "rescue".  It is a dynamic, ongoing state.  And because banding is an instant ability, the "block" switch doesn't actually turn on until the SA completes. 

Women as Snares works whether she begins the block or is banded in later in the battle.

Thorn in the Flesh has always been misinterpreted from the very beginning anyway.  An enhancement can only be played on one EC.  If it is played on a demon, THAT demon is the only demon that will trip the triggered ability on TitF regardless of how many demons are blocking.

Furthermore, as it relates to "ignore".  If a hero is ignoring all ECs in battle then it is not being blocked at that time.  But just as a battle challenge could have been a rescue attempt at one time, an ignored EC that is no longer blocking may have blocked at one time.

There is a major difference between Thorn in the Flesh and Gates of Jerusalem

Thorn in the Flesh says "Each TIME your demon blocks..."

Gates of Jerusalem says "if one blocks..."

Gates says if one blocks that's something like how gifts of the Magi works for each card that your opponent draws

but Thorn in the Flesh says each time your demon blocks, something like Abomination of Desolation where it only works each time they draw rather than for each card

You are only blocking once, but each character is blocking, does that make sense?

When Tim Maly posted on that thread that Thorn in the Flesh only triggered once, it was news to me.

I've always assumed that Thorn in the Flesh and Gates of Jerusalem work for every EC as it enters battle.  I assumed that an EC entering battle against a hero was called a "block" even if it was not the first EC into battle.

Quote from: STAMP on May 06, 2010, 02:26:01 PM

Thorn in the Flesh has always been misinterpreted from the very beginning anyway.  An enhancement can only be played on one EC.  If it is played on a demon, THAT demon is the only demon that will trip the triggered ability on TitF regardless of how many demons are blocking.

MWAHAHAHAH! I have found the fatal flaw in your argument good sir!

Place this card on a Hero. It cannot be removed by a Healing card.  Each time holder’s demon blocks that Hero, holder discards a card at random from opponent’s hand.

Shazam!

There's no flaw in my argument.  There IS a flaw in the wording, but this is an old card so we'll just have to make do.  Once placed, the holder of TitF is the owner of the hero to begin with, but be that as it may, the holder refers to the player who has played TitF.  "holder's demon" is singular and as worded targets the demon that TitF is played on.  Any other demons that may be in battle at the time cannot be targeted.  If TitF is placed on the hero in battle then holder discards a card from hand at that time.  Because TitF actually targets the card it is originally played on, that demon can leave and enter play and still cause TitF to trigger each time it blocks.

what if TinF isn't played on a demon.  There is nothing in it's special ability that says it has to be played on a demon right?

When Tim Maly posted on that thread that Thorn in the Flesh only triggered once, it was news to me.

I've always assumed that Thorn in the Flesh and Gates of Jerusalem work for every EC as it enters battle.  I assumed that an EC entering battle against a hero was called a "block" even if it was not the first EC into battle.

Awesome, this is how I always thought as well. However, what if you play siege during battle to band more demons against a thorned hero? That doesn't constitute as blocking, right?

... or "Holder's Demon" could refer to any demon that belongs to the holder.

If it said THIS demon, I would agree with you.

On character abilities, a plain "hero" is usually short for "this hero."  For example, "Hero is immune to demons."

On enhancements, "hero" or "your hero" can often refer to any one of your heroes.  See "Set your hero aside" or "Set hero aside."  On the enhancement Thorn in the Flesh, it means "Each time one of your demons blocks..."

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In The Disciples, we are shortening "(This) Hero is immune to demons." to the shorter "Immune to demons" (like the recent ECs who got "Immune to lone heroes.")

Similarly, the characters with first strike just say "First strike." rather than "This character has first strike."

Also, characters that protect only themselves from some effect say "Protected from capture." rather than "Protect this character from capture."

We like to shorten/streamline wording, as long as it remains perfectly clear who gets the effect.

And, according to what you said earlier, "each time X Blocks" means each time X type of character enters battle against a hero right?

That is what I think.  It seems to me that trying to differentiate between "block" and "blocking" is not the direction we should go if we want this game accessible to new players.