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Gates of Jerusalem
« on: May 01, 2010, 10:45:36 AM »
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if i block a RA with 2 kings/queens of Judah while Gates of J is up, would i get to draw 2 cards and both of their abilities can't be negated?

Gates of J=protect king/queens of judah in terriotry from opponents cards.  if one blocks, draw a card and its ability cant be negated

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2010, 10:48:38 AM »
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I believe the blocking action is only performed once, so no, I'm pretty sure you would only get to draw 1. Actually, by the wording, if you block with two characters, you shouldn't be able to draw at all! :o ;) But yes, both their abilities are CBN.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 12:46:11 AM »
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i think you would draw as many as blocking
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 11:55:54 AM »
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could i get a more definate ruling on this? 

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 12:30:24 PM »
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I'm sorry I don't have enough defins for you...
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 12:32:50 PM »
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well someone else posted the opposite ruling that you, i didnt mean it as a personal attack and im sorry if i offended.  But also wouldnt the cannot be negated and the drawing either both apply to each character or only to the first character to enter battle? i dont see any reason why they would be split up.  also if several characters are in battle, are they not all blocking, making teh ability apply to all characters

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 01:13:20 PM »
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well someone else posted the opposite ruling that you, i didnt mean it as a personal attack and im sorry if i offended.
Oh, no no no. I just forgot to use the lamejoke tag. ;)
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2010, 01:46:55 AM »
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Just to clarify, i based my ruling on thorn in the flesh.

Thorn in the Flesh
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Pale Green • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place this card on a Hero. It cannot be removed by a Healing card. Each time holder's demon blocks that Hero, holder discards a card at random from opponent's hand. • Play As: Place this card on a Hero. Hero is protected from healing. Each time holder’s demon blocks that Hero, holder discards a card at random from opponent’s hand. • Identifiers: NT, Sin, Depicts a Weapon, Connected with Demons • Verse: II Corinthians 12:7 • Availability: Promotional cards (2003 Regional Tournament)

If i block with multiple demons, do i get to discard multiple cards?

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2010, 01:54:27 AM »
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No,

This ruling has been hashed out multiple times. blocks is a singluar action that only occurs upon the first evil character entering battle.
Blocking is an ongoing variation of the aforementioned, which allows abilities like Herod's Dungeon to work.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2010, 09:58:32 AM »
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so then just the firsts characters ability cant be negated then?

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2010, 11:01:11 AM »
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Correct.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2010, 11:42:04 AM »
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No,

This ruling has been hashed out multiple times. blocks is a singluar action that only occurs upon the first evil character entering battle.
Blocking is an ongoing variation of the aforementioned, which allows abilities like Herod's Dungeon to work.

Yea, i couldnt remember- i knew it could go either way.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2010, 12:03:33 PM »
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No,

This ruling has been hashed out multiple times. blocks is a singluar action that only occurs upon the first evil character entering battle.
Blocking is an ongoing variation of the aforementioned, which allows abilities like Herod's Dungeon to work.

Just as I convinced Bryon at nationals that a provisioned lone green hero can use HT after choosing the blocker because all hero abiilties must complete before the hero is considered beginning a battle, I would also rule that a Queen Maachah/King somebody band is considered one block with both characters getting CBN from Gates because Queen Maachah is considered to be be blocking after her ability completes, and by then there are two EC that are blocking.

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2010, 09:43:48 AM »
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Just as I convinced Bryon at nationals that a provisioned lone green hero can use HT after choosing the blocker because all hero abiilties must complete before the hero is considered beginning a battle, I would also rule that a Queen Maachah/King somebody band is considered one block with both characters getting CBN from Gates because Queen Maachah is considered to be be blocking after her ability completes, and by then there are two EC that are blocking.

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I agree with Stamp. There is only "block," but the evil characters are performing it together.  Therefore, both should have their ability CBN and you draw 2 cards.

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2010, 10:56:04 AM »
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Cool. I'm rebuilding my old-school Panic-Demon, Thorn in the Flesh deck then.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2010, 11:10:05 AM »
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cool then im building my old panic demon/thorn in the flesh/sin in the camp/high places deck then
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2010, 11:23:23 AM »
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For sure :)

I'm 1000% positive this is contrary to how its been ruled in the past.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2010, 11:25:12 AM »
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For sure :)

I'm 1000% positive this is contrary to how its been ruled in the past.

And I'm 98% sure that Koalas don't understand the concept of percentage...
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2010, 11:28:11 AM »
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I think theres a less than 0% chance I understood that.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2010, 11:53:29 AM »
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5 out of 4 people aren't good at statistics

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2010, 11:55:55 AM »
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5 out of 4 people aren't good at statistics

And 99% of the lawyers in this country give the other 1% a bad name.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2010, 12:06:17 PM »
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For sure :)

I'm 1000% positive this is contrary to how its been ruled in the past.

Chris Bany always ruled it correctly.

To say that only the 1st EC in a banding chain is blocking is to say that only the 1st hero in a banding chain is rescuing.

5 out of 4 people aren't good at statistics

So those people have bad teeth while statisticians have good teeth??

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2010, 12:13:11 PM »
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To say that only the 1st EC in a banding chain is blocking is to say that only the 1st hero in a banding chain is rescuing.

Ah, but that's not what I'm saying, and I was very careful not to say that.

I said that 'Blocks' is an action that only happens once, upon the first evil character entering battle
'Blocking' is a state which can be occupied by multiple characters.
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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2010, 12:17:22 PM »
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So, does that mean that Women as Snares only works when she's the first EC to enter battle?

"When using this character to block, take prisoner all male Evil characters of one opponent and place them in your land of bondage.  They are treated as lost souls"

I think thats a silly distinction to make. I see no reason why Gates of Jerusalem and Thorn in the Flesh should not activate every time that specific type of character enters battle.

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Re: Gates of Jerusalem
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2010, 12:17:55 PM »
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