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gams speech and moses
« on: June 28, 2017, 09:16:13 AM »
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moses is in territory.  I block a RA and play gams speech.  is it negated immediately in territory or because I played it in battle can I still use it to negate a card during this battle? basically when does moses start negating gams speech?

moses: blah blah blah, negate enhancements in territory

gams speech: place in territory: discard no negate and discard an enhancement
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 10:08:26 AM »
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When Gam's Speech is placed in territory and Moses (CoW) is active in a territory, it gets negated and sent back to battle as a negated enhancement.

Correction--please see jmhartz's reply below. I shouldn't be answering questions before fully waking up... ::)
« Last Edit: June 28, 2017, 10:55:49 AM by The Guardian »
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 10:38:10 AM »
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Moses' ongoing ability is a Prevent, which only stops enhancements from activating in the first place.  It can't do anything to enhancements that have already activated - at that point, they need to be interrupted or negated.

Therefore, placed enhancements that are activated in battle work when Moses is in territory.

(Justin, you agreed with this in this thread  ;) )
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2017, 01:27:11 PM »
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Quote from: jmhartz on June 28, 2017, 10:38:10 AM
Moses' ongoing ability is a Prevent, which only stops enhancements from activating in the first place.  It can't do anything to enhancements that have already activated - at that point, they need to be interrupted or negated.

Therefore, placed enhancements that are activated in battle work when Moses is in territory.

(Justin, you agreed with this in this thread  ;) )
So if Moses were to enter battle after sitting in territory(Reactivated ability) with Gam's Speech in territory and working, Gam's Speech would still work? Wouldn't Moses negate GS after entering battle?
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2017, 01:29:52 PM »
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Quote from: BanjoMan on June 28, 2017, 01:27:11 PM
So if Moses were to enter battle after sitting in territory(Reactivated ability) with Gam's Speech in territory and working, Gam's Speech would still work? Wouldn't Moses negate GS after entering battle?

If Moses' ability reactivates due to entering battle or entering territory, then he would negate Gam's Speech, as long as Gam's Speech wasn't CBN (such as if it had been played on Peter).
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2017, 01:39:06 PM »
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I see...seems as though everybody is trying to find loopholes to get around Moses. That's what Christian Martyr is for.
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2017, 02:22:37 PM »
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in my experience, Hypocrisy->mayhem and invoking terror are the best ways to get rid of him. cm is preferable, but not recurable. hypocrisy is awesome mid-late game to really slow your opponent down, and it's super easy to get back as long as you have 2-3 multi colored magicians, which isn't too hard to splash into most decks. 
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2017, 04:26:24 PM »
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Quote from: Ironisaac on June 28, 2017, 02:22:37 PM
in my experience, Hypocrisy->mayhem and invoking terror are the best ways to get rid of him. cm is preferable, but not recurable. hypocrisy is awesome mid-late game to really slow your opponent down, and it's super easy to get back as long as you have 2-3 multi colored magicians, which isn't too hard to splash into most decks. 
For sure. Crimson is splashed in on a lot a cards these days anyway(e.g. Lions, Astrologers, etc.) making it very viable indeed.
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 05:43:55 PM »
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Thorns and Thistles works too.
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 06:07:52 PM »
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Quote from: Watchman492 on June 28, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Thorns and Thistles works too.

Holy of Holies as well.
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2017, 06:22:02 PM »
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Covenant with Death.
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 06:31:57 PM »
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Surprised no one is saying Punisher yet.
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2017, 06:49:47 PM »
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Quote from: Ironisaac on June 28, 2017, 06:07:52 PM
Quote from: Watchman492 on June 28, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Thorns and Thistles works too.

Holy of Holies as well.

Not as well...Holy of Holies is a prevent so it doesn't negate Moses if he's already active.
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Re: gams speech and moses
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 07:13:29 PM »
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Peanut butter works really well too.
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