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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on March 11, 2010, 06:04:40 PMQuote from: STAMP on March 11, 2010, 05:03:28 PMThere's a tendency for any reader to read these lines and feel it's a direct result of the lawlessness that existed right after Joshua's death.There is a tendency to read those lines in that way because Judges 2:8-10 specifically state that all this happens after the death of Joshua. Specifically starting a generation after the generation that buried Joshua.So how do you explain verses 1-5?
Quote from: STAMP on March 11, 2010, 05:03:28 PMThere's a tendency for any reader to read these lines and feel it's a direct result of the lawlessness that existed right after Joshua's death.There is a tendency to read those lines in that way because Judges 2:8-10 specifically state that all this happens after the death of Joshua. Specifically starting a generation after the generation that buried Joshua.
There's a tendency for any reader to read these lines and feel it's a direct result of the lawlessness that existed right after Joshua's death.
Disobedience, lawlessness, forsaking the Lord...the Israelites did this in the wilderness and prior to Joshua's death.
Furthermore, verses 16-19 cover a period of time for all of the judges, not just the time right after Joshua's death, so it very well could have covered Moses' and Joshua's time
Thus, although the scripture is placed where intuitively one would surmise that it's in response to the perverse generation described before it, the summary notation would indeed descibe the times in the wilderness with Moses as well as with Joshua's "faithful" generation.
The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it. And about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness. And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, he divided their land to them by lot. And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet. And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.
Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 11, 2010, 07:47:54 PMQuote from: Da Muzik Maker on March 11, 2010, 03:51:39 PMI don't think moses is a pirest.... why? you may ask? cause, the bible never said anything about him being a priestCept all the scripture in this thread.uhm, who was among who's priest exactly?? it said "moses and aron where among his priests..." it never said moses was the priest, it just said where among "his priests" which doesn't have anything to do with moses being one.
Quote from: Da Muzik Maker on March 11, 2010, 03:51:39 PMI don't think moses is a pirest.... why? you may ask? cause, the bible never said anything about him being a priestCept all the scripture in this thread.
I don't think moses is a pirest.... why? you may ask? cause, the bible never said anything about him being a priest
Quote from: Da Muzik Maker on March 11, 2010, 07:53:05 PMuhm, who was among who's priest exactly?? it said "moses and aron where among his priests..." it never said moses was the priest, it just said where among "his priests" which doesn't have anything to do with moses being one."Among his priests" is the equivalent of belonging to the group.
uhm, who was among who's priest exactly?? it said "moses and aron where among his priests..." it never said moses was the priest, it just said where among "his priests" which doesn't have anything to do with moses being one.
Quote from: STAMP on March 12, 2010, 12:29:42 AMThus, although the scripture is placed where intuitively one would surmise that it's in response to the perverse generation described before it, the summary notation would indeed descibe the times in the wilderness with Moses as well as with Joshua's "faithful" generation.That's a nice thought, STAMP. Once again I ask if you can point me to any commentator who agrees with your interpretation that Judges 16-19 is talking about the Egyptian captivity, the time in the wilderness, or the taking of the land.Once again this entire argument does not touch on the bigger question of whether or not Joshua and Moses should be considered Judges; it merely reflects on the suitability of using Judges 2 to argue that point.
One passage that does seem to touch on the larger issue is Acts 13:17-21. How do people factor Paul's version of history into their arguments?Quote from: Acts 13:17-21The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it. And about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness. And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, he divided their land to them by lot. And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet. And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.Young's literal translation renders Acts 13:20 as "And after these things, about four hundred and fifty years, He gave judges -- till Samuel the prophet;"
But again, the point is moot.
In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
Quote from: STAMP on March 12, 2010, 11:41:32 AMBut again, the point is moot. I think we would both agree that spending some time in the Word is rarely moot--even if Rob has made a final ruling for the game. I find Judges to be one of the saddest and most realistic studies of human nature. After reading through the cycles of increasing lawlessness (ending with the brutal story of the Levite's concubine and the war on the Benjamites), the entire book gets summed up in its final verse.Quote from: Judges 21:25In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.That's some good stuff.
