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Sinning Hand
« on: June 26, 2017, 10:38:18 AM »
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My opponent plays Sinning Hand, targeting my hero in battle.  I discard half my hand instead.  My initiative, I play Blessings.  Do I get the cards I discarded to Sinning Hand back? 

Sinning Hand - "Remove a Hero from the game. Any player may discard half the cards in hand (rounded down) to negate this. Otherwise, it cannot be interrupted."

Blessings - "Negate all special abilities on all characters and enhancements except this one.  Battle is determined by the numbers."
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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2017, 10:42:58 AM »
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From the wording, I would rule "yes."

Reasoning...Sinning Hand is prevented when it's CBI ability kicks back in.
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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2017, 10:43:50 AM »
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Yes.
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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2017, 11:27:27 AM »
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Why would the player get their cards back from hand??  Won't the SA on sinning hand still stand?

ins't the whole entire SA on Sinning hand CBI??   which CBI abilities can not be undone after they are played , but can be stopped before they are played.


or I am missing something here?? Can someone explain??


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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 11:28:30 AM »
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if you remove a hero from play with sinning hand, it become CBI.  if you discard cards from hand with it, it is not CBI

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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2017, 11:29:57 AM »
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^Correct. Sinning Hand is only CBI if the opponent chooses not to discard cards.
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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2017, 05:16:57 PM »
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I would have assumed the "Otherwise, it cannot be interrupted." meant the only way it could be interrupted was through its own ability, but I guess it's a valid interpretation of the ability for the "Otherwise" to be in reference to the discarding your hand.
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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2017, 05:19:32 PM »
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I believe Sinning Hand is simply cbi this is what I recall Gabe telling me

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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 08:10:58 AM »
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I believe Sinning Hand is simply cbi

Well this is what I used to think, and how I've always seen it played.

However, when I stopped to think about it (ironically when The Guardian mentioned Sinning Hand in the "What EEs are CBI" thread yesterday), it occurred to me that EEs are CBP/I/N when played, and only then. 

Sinning Hand has very unique wording (nothing else like it, really), and the "out" that it provides an opponent is not an Instead ability (which is the common way to word abilities like that), but a "Negate" ability.  So when Sinning Hand is played and the opponent discards half their hand, Sinning Hand is not CBI. 

At that point, if it is targeted for negation, Sinning Hand can't "go back in time" and retroactively gain CBI.  It had to gain CBI when it was played, or not at all.
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Re: Sinning Hand
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2017, 02:17:26 PM »
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It's a bit similar to No Straw! where one of the players basically gets a choice to give it CBI (or CBN in the case of NS!) at the moment its played or not.
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