Author Topic: Watcher (Pa) vs. Tartaros (PC)  (Read 1118 times)

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Watcher (Pa) vs. Tartaros (PC)
« on: September 04, 2015, 08:47:18 PM »
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Watcher:
If an Evil Character was or is currently set aside, shuffle that Evil Character back into Owner's draw pile. Discard the set-aside card(s).

Tartaros:
Plays to Set Aside area, Holds any # of demons
If your demon is discarded or captured, you may hold it here instead.  If your demon wins a battle, you may underdeck a demon from here.

Is Tartaros considered a set-aside card, such that it would be discarded if Watcher shuffled a demon it held?

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Re: Watcher (Pa) vs. Tartaros (PC)
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2015, 10:15:16 PM »
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It is a card causing a character to be played to the set-aside area. I'd say yes.
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Re: Watcher (Pa) vs. Tartaros (PC)
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2015, 09:38:09 AM »
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This is what I got when I asked that, but I wouldn't call it definitive:

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/watcher-vs-tartaros-q/msg380925/#msg380925

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Re: Watcher (Pa) vs. Tartaros (PC)
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2015, 09:46:08 AM »
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I dont think that it would be discarded. I think that it is an instead ability, not a set aside ability.if anything I would consider it a place ability.
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Re: Watcher (Pa) vs. Tartaros (PC)
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2015, 03:39:02 PM »
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I would not say this is the definitive ruling without hearing from other Judges, but I would say that Watcher's ability includes clarifying text for that last part.  At the time it was printed (and until this season, actually), set-aside enhancements went with the character to set-aside, and were discarded once the characters were to return.  Therefore, this 'older wording' seems to fall into the "clarifying text" category, meant to define a default state that existed in the rules at the time of the printing, and is thus not its own ability.

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Re: Watcher (Pa) vs. Tartaros (PC)
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2015, 01:06:16 AM »
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I would not say this is the definitive ruling without hearing from other Judges, but I would say that Watcher's ability includes clarifying text for that last part.  At the time it was printed (and until this season, actually), set-aside enhancements went with the character to set-aside, and were discarded once the characters were to return.  Therefore, this 'older wording' seems to fall into the "clarifying text" category, meant to define a default state that existed in the rules at the time of the printing, and is thus not its own ability.

I would tend to agree with Redoubter here.
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