Author Topic: Stalks of Flax (Read 9691 times)

lightningninja · « **Reply #50 on:** August 12, 2009, 10:57:01 PM »

I think for this scenario you have to exchange two heroes. If you don't have two heroes you can't exchange two heroes.

Guys... I see your points but I think sometimes we try to see combos that we really have to stretch, just because technically the rules don't allow it. I think it's pretty obvious that you can't exchange two heroes if you only have one.

Kevin Shride · « **Reply #51 on:** August 13, 2009, 07:34:39 AM »

I also see this both ways, but I think newer players would want this and Zeal to be treated similarly. I would probably allow a 1-for-1 exchange, but obviously never a 1-for-2 exchange.

Kevin Shride

Korunks · « **Reply #52 on:** August 13, 2009, 07:47:40 AM »

If I were to rule it I would also allow a 1-to-1 exchange, not 1-to-2, because I believe that is keeping with the spirit of the rules, and is consistent with Zeal. Watch now that I've said that someone official is gonna make ruling opposite of me.

Gabe · « **Reply #53 on:** August 13, 2009, 08:47:58 AM »

I'd like to see Stalks allow for a 1-1 or a 2-2 exchange for the same reasons we allow Zeal and Jephthah to only target one character.

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NWJosh · « **Reply #54 on:** August 13, 2009, 10:04:06 AM »

I personally see stalks and Zeal as being different. I agree with Zeal having the as much as possible. For stalks though it says two of your OT heroes, which in essence makes that your cost. You have to pay 2 OT heroes as a cost and if you don't have those you can't do the deal and if there isn't two heroes to trade with then you can't make an even exchange as well. Given that I see the 2 OT heroes as a cost, and everyone agrees you can't pay only half a cost then I would say it has to be 2 for 2. Just my thoughts on how I would rule it at the given time.

Zeal has no cost only effect.

Gabe · « **Reply #55 on:** August 13, 2009, 10:09:21 AM »

Quote from: Stalks of Flax

On activation, discard this card to...

That's the cost. Discard this card. Not the exchange of Heroes, yours or mine.

NWJosh · « **Reply #56 on:** August 13, 2009, 10:12:06 AM »

True hmmmmmmmmmmmm, well then I guess I would support the 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 if ruled that way, but I still see discard (zeal and jepathah) as being different then exchange (wanderer, stalks) and don't think we should necessarily use one to help define the other.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #57 on:** August 13, 2009, 11:46:35 AM »

Quote from: NWJosh on August 13, 2009, 10:12:06 AM

True hmmmmmmmmmmmm, well then I guess I would support the 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 if ruled that way, but I still see discard (zeal and jepathah) as being different then exchange (wanderer, stalks) and don't think we should necessarily use one to help define the other.

They are indeed different, but there are many types of special abilities that already have the "as much as possible" concept applied. Exchange is just another special ability that has recently come up due to this card, as all other exchanges were previously 1-for-1 only. The difference is that you can't do "as much as possible" on your side (0 or 1 heroes) and still get two of your opponent's heroes. The "as much as possible" would apply to as many exchanges as possible, which is either to exchange this one hero for that one hero or these two heroes for those two heroes.

uthminister [BR] · « **Reply #58 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:04:14 PM »

Perhaps the wording in the Play As section should be "up to but equal" meaning that you can exchange up to two characters satisfying the stipulations on those characters, but the exchange must be an equal exchange in terms of number of characters involved. I agree that even allowing a Play As that doesn't follow the exact wording of the card is a slippery road we want to avoid at all costs. If that is the case then make it as is and if the cards are not in play to satisfy the cards special ability then it does nothing...

Hedgehogman · « **Reply #59 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:55:40 PM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on August 13, 2009, 08:47:58 AM

I'd like to see Stalks allow for a 1-1 or a 2-2 exchange for the same reasons we allow Zeal and Jephthah to only target one character.

My

For whatever it's worth, I agree with Gabe.

Smokey · « **Reply #60 on:** August 13, 2009, 06:28:35 PM »

Quote from: Hedgehogman on August 13, 2009, 03:55:40 PM

Quote from: BrianGabe on August 13, 2009, 08:47:58 AM
I'd like to see Stalks allow for a 1-1 or a 2-2 exchange for the same reasons we allow Zeal and Jephthah to only target one character.

My

For whatever it's worth, I agree with Gabe.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #61 on:** August 14, 2009, 01:41:30 AM »

Quote from: Hedgehogman on August 13, 2009, 03:55:40 PM

For whatever it's worth, I agree with Frank.

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And Frank, you know what you did, but I can't repeat it, because I'm Jesus.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #62 on:** August 14, 2009, 01:57:16 AM »

You win the thread.

Hedgehogman · « **Reply #63 on:** August 14, 2009, 01:00:15 PM »

Quote from: Captain Kirk on August 14, 2009, 01:41:30 AM

Quote from: Hedgehogman on August 13, 2009, 03:55:40 PM
For whatever it's worth, I agree with Frank.

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And Frank, you know what you did, but I can't repeat it, because I'm Jesus.

That is pure awesome. XD

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #64 on:** August 14, 2009, 08:36:15 PM »

Okay, I haven't read this whole post yet, but I agree that SoF should allow 1-1 exchanges.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #65 on:** August 15, 2009, 12:10:57 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on August 14, 2009, 08:36:15 PM

Okay, I haven't read this whole post yet

Oh you should. There's character development, plot twists, riveting action sequences, and a sidebar comic relief bit. Overall, it's a very good read.

SirNobody · « **Reply #66 on:** August 16, 2009, 02:16:58 AM »

Hey,

Having re-read this entire thread and actually reading the exchange entry in the new REG, I have changed my opinion on this issue. The new REG specifies that an exchange ability switches the location of two cards. Which means every exchange has to be 1 for 1. Which means Stalks has two 1 for 1 exchanges not a single 2 for 2 exchange. Having two 1 for 1 exchanges means it functions the same as Zeal's two discards and can be done halfway if there are only enough targets to do it halfway.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Bryon · « **Reply #67 on:** August 25, 2009, 01:19:12 AM »

Sounds good to me.

The Guardian · « **Reply #68 on:** August 25, 2009, 01:50:14 AM »

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actually reading the exchange entry in the new REG

Would that be reading what you previously wrote?

soul seeker · « **Reply #69 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:38:02 AM »

new and related question to Stalks of Flax.

The exchange has been done...it was a 2 for 2 exchange. 2 turns have elapsed and it's time for it to be undone, BUT there is a catch....some characters have died.

The Question:
Is the last part of the ability an "exchange" back OR is it an undo, in that everything returns to it's owner's territory?

Example: I exchange my Zeb and Dan to you while taking your Jacob and Captain. Captain is CMed and Jacob is captured. Do I get Zeb and Dan back because the 2 turn limit is up OR since they can't be exchanged back..my opponent keeps them?

Also:
What if Captain is dead and Jacob is still alive? Do I get to pick which hero comes back if it is an exchange? (Because the "undo" would hand both of them back.)

Gabe · « **Reply #70 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:42:31 AM »

Check this out.

soul seeker · « **Reply #71 on:** September 27, 2009, 08:19:08 PM »

Thanks Gabe...I thought the question was answered but I couldn't find it. I stink at searching for stuff. That was exactly what I wanted to know.

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