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There could be an easy fix, but it's not been instituted yet, so don't act like there's no problem.

I'm not acting like there's no problem.  I was questioning the nature and depth of the problem, which I still consider to be of a scope limited enough that your confrontational stance towards the people looking to resolve this issue is not warranted.

I happen to think this particular issue also has a relatively simple solution, but I don't yet have the specific information I need to verify that, so I have not definitively stated anything I could not back up factually.  I would think that is the appropriate way to minimize confusion both before and after that resolution is presented.

Mine as well, but another elder just said otherwise. And not "I think" or "I believe," but "Not harm." This exhibits an obvious confusion about what harm even means from the elders.

I'm not saying the story isn't straight, I'm saying there should be more cohesion among the elders, and that elders shouldn't state their opinion as fact unless they know they're making the right ruling.

Well played. I just wish Elders wouldn't post their opinion as if that's the actual ruling when A). a ruling hasn't been officially decided on yet or B). it's wrong.

No pitchforks, just a call to be careful what you say on the rulings boards when you're an elder.

Then I've got a flaming torch.

DODGE THIS!

I know this thread got a little derailed, but I have a few thoughts on the whole "who controls the placed enhancement" thing.

I think that the argument about which player controls the placed enhancement begs the question "why does the placed enhancement work at all?"  If Agur's ability simply said "If (condition) then place a good enhancement on a hero" and that was his whole ability, would the enhancement activate when the hero enters battle, no matter who controls him?  Is there a game rule that says it would activate?  Weapons activate because they can be placed by game rule, but I can't think of anything that would allow the placed enhancement to work.  I believe that it is the second part of Agur's ability which allows the enhancement to activate.

The best example to aid my train of thought is Sower.  Suppose I attack with Sower and place a Gold enhancement on my opponent's Gomer.  Then, because I am an idiot, I use my Holy Grail to convert my opponent's Gomer to Gold brigade.  My opponent blocks with a 1/1 king, has inish, and plays an enhancement that causes two heroes to fight.  He selects his own converted Gomer to fight another hero.  At this point, there is a placed good Gold enhancement on his good Gold hero.  Does it activate by game rule?  Or does it remain there because Sower's ability says so?

Sower (Di)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 1 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may place a good Enhancement from hand on a human Evil Character. After battle, discard that Enhancement to convert that character to a Hero.

the enhancement placed by sower would still be discarded after battle because it is the cost (do as much as possible). The true question is if the hero can still be converted to gold...can heros be converted to other brigades? I vote yes.