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First Strike only applies when the battle is being determined by the numbers (not the same as FBTN). The defender has inish until his defense surpasses Gideon's attack.
Opponent rescues with AutO -> Gideon, I block with an emperor while I have Rome in play. Does my first strike create a stalemate, or do I have initiative because Gideon is protected from all my abilities (and consequently "ignores" my first strike)?Rome: Your emperors have first strike...
ProtectA card cannot be targeted by an ability from which it is protected. Game rules do not apply to a card that is protected from the effect of the game rule.
First StrikeA first strike ability allows a character to survive if a battle ends in the mutual destruction state.
With that in mind Gideon would have initiative until his Defense exceeds the Emperor's attack because the isn't loosing in the mutual destruction while he has first strike. If the battle where to end in mutual destruction both characters would survive.
Quote from: tripleplayNo3 on May 01, 2013, 07:10:43 PMWith that in mind Gideon would have initiative until his Defense exceeds the Emperor's attack because the isn't loosing in the mutual destruction while he has first strike. If the battle where to end in mutual destruction both characters would survive.To think of what Prof A said in another way (obviously not wording it this way because I got instaposted or anything ), it cannot be mutual destruction because Gideon is protected from the numbers on the Emperor. Therefore, it would actually be a situation where Gideon is winning (if the battle ends, the Emperor is discarded by the numbers and he is not) until the Emperor's defense passes Gideon's attack.Being protected from the numbers means that first strike just does not come into play in this scenario. It literally cannot be mutual destruction if one side cannot be discarded by the numbers, like Prof A said (who totally did not beat me by a few seconds causing me to edit).
That is not correct.
Quote from: Redoubter on May 01, 2013, 07:16:00 PMQuote from: tripleplayNo3 on May 01, 2013, 07:10:43 PMWith that in mind Gideon would have initiative until his Defense exceeds the Emperor's attack because the isn't loosing in the mutual destruction while he has first strike. If the battle where to end in mutual destruction both characters would survive.To think of what Prof A said in another way (obviously not wording it this way because I got instaposted or anything ), it cannot be mutual destruction because Gideon is protected from the numbers on the Emperor. Therefore, it would actually be a situation where Gideon is winning (if the battle ends, the Emperor is discarded by the numbers and he is not) until the Emperor's defense passes Gideon's attack.Being protected from the numbers means that first strike just does not come into play in this scenario. It literally cannot be mutual destruction if one side cannot be discarded by the numbers, like Prof A said (who totally did not beat me by a few seconds causing me to edit).So does that mean the Emperor has initiative so long as his defense doesn't exceed Gideon's attack?Quote from: Professoralstad on May 01, 2013, 07:15:35 PMThat is not correct.Thanks for correcting me.
Vit hits Gideon with FS but since Gideon is protected it doesn't happen giving Gideon his chance to strike and kill vit? I know it's a technicality but I am curious if Gideon protection actually restricts the first strike or if he just is protected from it?
If that's the definition of first strike, then why is an emperor with first strike deemed to be winning? The definition says nothing about the holder of first strike winning, but rather surviving. Wouldn't this be more in line with how a heal ability returns a character to territory when it's being discarded?
First strike applies to the rules of initiative during battle and in battle resolution at the end of battle. The following conditions are important for determining initiative and battle resolution: -one or more characters in battle have a first strike ability -the battle is in the mutual destruction state -the strength of a first strike character is greater than or equal to the toughness of all the character(s) on the other side of battleIf these conditions are met, then the battle is moved to the Hero winning or Evil Character winning state (whichever one is in favor of the character with first strike).
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