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If you mean when the heroes you set aside using Firstfruits come back then they would return during your next upkeep phase and then you draw four once you discard a good card from hand.

What I am asking is after my upkeep phase do I have to discard and draw immediately or could I say activate an artifact or play a territory class enhancement first and then discard and draw?

When your upkeep phase begins, the first thing that happens is counters are updated. This includes set-aside cards and would bring your heroes back, activating the ability of FF. So the way I understand it, you would have to complete FF ability before you do anything else during your upkeep.

Intuitively you might think that set-aside cards are returned during the upkeep when they receive the final counter and reach the end of the time they are to be set aside. That's not quite how it works though.

A set-aside ability with a specified duration returns the card(s) it set aside when the duration is reached. If it is a turn-based duration, return the card(s) set aside during your preparation phase.

According to the REG entry quoted above, you get to choose at which point during your preparation phase you wish to return the set aside card(s) and receive the benefit.

Over the years we've discussed changing that so that the cards return at the moment the counter is added. Thus far we've decided to stick with the "way it's always been" because it gives players more options and adds strategy to the game.

I actually asked this because I saw Gabe playing it this way in a video on youtube and I had never thought it could be played this way

Gabe (and John) make a lot of silly mistakes in their games on Youtube. But this isn't one of them.

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on May 15, 2017, 10:20:19 AM

I actually asked this because I saw Gabe playing it this way in a video on youtube and I had never thought it could be played this way

Gabe (and John) make a lot of silly mistakes in their games on Youtube. But this isn't one of them.

True dat. Shame we couldn't get together this year for one

So to clarify, you can split up the benefit of Firstfruits as Xonathan is wanting to do...

I don't see a post from Xonathan in this thread so I'm not sure what this in reference to.

(such as activate an artifact first before discarding a good enh and drawing four cards) since the return is a choice and can be done in prep phase and not in upkeep?

When you return the Heroes (from First Fruits) you must complete the entire ability (discard and draw 4). If you want to play cards from hand, activate an Artifact, or any other prep phase action, before returning the Heroes you may.

**Instaposed - what Justin said. 

So in the case in which a card tells you when it's done (such as Alex Ship, which says "Each upkeep") you have to do it during that phase only, correct?

Correct