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There has been some inconsistency in how the game has treated different version of the same unique character in different situations.

For example: The current ruling is that only King David can use Promised Land without limit, but Samuel (FF) can search for any version of David, not just those named "David".

After Nationals we're proposing that all copies of a unique character are treated the same, regardless of how the name is used in the card title.

Example 1: All versions of David will be treated and targetable as David no matter how they are referenced in a card ability.

Example 2: Saul/Paul is the same unique character. Cards that refer to "Saul" also count for "Paul" and vice versa.

We've also expanded the "These are unique characters with different card titles" list in the REG and believe it will be comprehensive.

Some character cards have different card titles, but are the same unique character.  A player may have only one of these in your territory, in battle, in a side battle, face down, or set-aside at a time. When a card or special ability references a character by name, it can be applied to any version of the named character.

These are unique characters with different card titles:

• Abram/Abraham (Pa) or Abraham (CoW)
  Ahab (B) or Ahab (C) or Ahab (L) or Ahab (UL) or King Ahab (RA2)
  Ahaziah (Pr) or King Ahaziah (PC)
  Amram & Jochebed or Jochebed (Wo) or Moses’ Parents (CoW)
  Angel at the Tomb (Wa) or Angel at Tomb (Pi)
  Antonius Felix (EC) or Governor Felix (Ap)
  Bartholomew (Di) or Bartholomew (Nathaniel) (Ap)
  Bear (D) or The Bear (RA)
  Belshazzar (Pr) or King Belshazzar (FF2)
  Chief Captain Lysias (Ap) or Claudius Lysias (PC)
  David (Green) (Ki) or David (Green) (Wa) or David (Red) (Ki) or David (Red) (Wa) or David, the Psalmist (CoW) or David, the Shepherd (CoW) or King David (P)
  Elymas (Bar-Jesus) the Sorcerer (Ap) or Elymas the Sorcerer (Di) or Elymas the Sorcerer (EC)
  Esau (Pa) or Esau the Hunter (F) or Esau, the Hunter (P)
  Jacob (D) or Jacob (FF) or Jacob (Israel) (CoW)
  James (half-brother of Jesus (Ap) or James, Leader in Jerusalem (PC)
  James Son of Zebedee (Ap) or James Son of Zebedee (H) or James (I)
  Joshua 1 (P) or Joshua 2 (P) or Joshua, son of Nun (CoW)
  King Abijah (Ki) or King Abijam (RA2)
  Manasseh (Pr) or King Manasseh (Di)
  Matthew (Di) or Matthew (Levi) (Ap)
  Medium in Endor (CoW) or Witch of Endor (Pr) or Witch of Endor (Wa)
  Morg (AW) or Morgan (AW)
  Noah’s Sons (Pa) or Shem (CoW)/Ham (Cow)/Japheth (Cow)
  Pharaoh (H) or Pharaoh (L) or Pharaoh (UL) or The Hard-Hearted Pharaoh (CoW)
  Roman Jailer (Ap) or The Roman Jailer (EC)
  Samson (L) or Samson (J) or Samson (P) or Samson (UL) or Samson, the Nazarite (CoW)
  Saul (Ap) or Paul (Ap)
  Uriah (A) or Uriah (L) or Uriah (UL) or Uriah the Hittie (Ra2)
  Whore of Babylon (L) or Whore of Babylon (UL) or Babylon the Great (Wa)
  Woman of Thebez (Wo) or The Woman of Thebez (Ra2)

We welcome your feedback and questions about how this might impact the game we all enjoy.

I agree with this rule change.

Simplification with no downside, should be a slam-dunk!

How would this new rule work with Saul/Paul lol? The identifiers states when Saul repents he becomes Paul, but if Saul=Paul then wouldn't his identifier work in the reverse direction and/or basically make Saul or Paul nonconvertible if you so choose?

This update would have no bearing on that card. Saul is still the card name of the Evil Character. The good Enhancement Saul Repents still converts that one Evil Character to a Hero, in this case the flip side of the card, Paul.

Guys like Epaphras (PC) will get a little better though.

I was confused because the identifier says when Saul is converted he becomes Paul, but if Saul and Paul are interchangeable, it follows that if you convert Saul, Saul could become Saul again. I guess I'm not sure why its different than promised land referring to any copy of David when it says "King David" as proposed.

It refers to the same unique character regardless of whether it says "Saul" or "Paul."  For the card, though, each side is different in terms of what they are.  At face value, Saul/Paul is still the grey Pharisee no-Special Ability Evil Character.  When converted, he becomes the multi-brigade Hero with that ability.

Was this decided on or still tbd?

Thank you!

Yes.