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New REG updated January 2010
Set Aside
General Description
A set aside ability allows you to remove a character or group of cards from play and set them aside. When you
set your own characters aside you usually gain a benefit over a period of turns for having them set aside.

How to Play
When a card is set aside it is moved to the set-aside area of the player that has permanent control of it. It
remains there until the duration of the set aside is reached (if there is one) or until the player that controls it
chooses to bring it back (if there is not a preset duration). When a card returns from the set-aside area it goes to the territory of the player that controls it.

Cards set aside by abilities with a specified duration return as a response to the duration being reached. Cards
set aside by abilities that do not specify a duration can be brought back by the player that controls them during
any of their preparation phases.

A set aside ability is always paired with an ongoing ability that lasts as long as all of the cards targeted by the set aside ability remain set aside. The ability that is paired with the set aside ability defines the benefit gained from being set aside or when the cards set aside can return to play.

Enhancements with Set Aside Abilities
Set aside enhancements can be played in battle according to the normal rules of initiative. Set aside
enhancements can also be played outside of battle during the preparation phase or discard phase if they are
played on a character of matching brigade in the player's territory. Set aside enhancements played outside of
battle cannot target cards controlled by an opponent.
Set aside enhancements are placed in the set-aside area with the cards they set aside. If a set aside
enhancement is played during battle it remains in battle until the end of battle and then is moved to the set-aside
area to join the cards it set aside when other enhancements in battle are discarded. When all of the cards a set
aside enhancement set aside have left the set-aside area they were in the set aside enhancement is discarded.
All set aside abilities are instantaneous. Set aside abilities target the cards that are to be set aside.

Default Conditions
 Targets must be "in play."
 Set aside enhancements that benefit the cards that are set aside or the player that set them aside must
target characters permanently controlled by the player that played the enhancement.
Special Conditions
 If a set aside ability gives a beneficial effect to the characters that are set aside or the player that set them
aside, and sets more than one character aside, if one of those characters is removed from the set-aside
area prematurely, the other characters set aside with it immediately return to their owner's territories and
no further benefits are gained for the set aside effect.
 If the targets of a set aside ability on an enhancement go to different set-aside areas the player that
played the set aside card chooses which of those set-aside areas to place the set aside enhancement in.
Almanac of Special Abilities ● 37

For a moment I'll entertain the idea that these might not be gained abilities, but instead they're triggers.  In that case, wasn't the card activated on a previous phase (previous turn in this case) so it cannot be negated?

Also, when the Heroes are returned, the set-aside enhancement is discarded.  The Pigs Lost Soul targets cards in play.  It cannot prevent a card in the discard pile.

Gabe is correct.

Quote from: New REG

Abilities gained while set-aside cannot be negated after return.

All the dual color Priests set aside cards are worded the same.  Would you say that Passover and Unleavened Bread is a gained ability or a trigger?  If it's a gained ability who exactly gains it?  Is it all the Heroes that were set aside?  Is it only the first one to enter battle?

I still say that it is a triggered ability, based on the fact that he Heroes don't gain any ability. If you set aside Gideon with Provisions, he gains an ability and thus would no longer be protected by Windows of Narrow Light. If you set him aside with Pentecost, I don't think he gained any abilities, you just performed an action when he returns.

• If "hero enters battle" versus "hero starts a battle" are considered the same type of trigger in that you activate the trigger once the hero's SA is complete, then you get a catch-22: the gained trigger tries to fire but waits until the hero's SA completes which can't because it's waiting for the gained trigger to fire, and so on...
• If the triggers are tripped at different times, i.e. "hero enters battle" trips as soon as a hero is placed in battle and "hero starts a battle" trips as soon as abilities complete, then there is no catch-22 but the combo no longer works as the CTB ability goes last.
  

Quote from: Korunks on March 29, 2011, 03:22:36 PM

Is this being discussed on the elder side? 

Yes.