Author Topic: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS (Read 7423 times)

RTSmaniac · « **on:** November 17, 2010, 02:16:29 AM »

Can I still choose to place cards beneath deck and do we draw with antidraw ls out?

Feast of Trumpets (Pi)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Teal/Green • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set aside all of your human Heroes for one turn. On return, choose a number from 1 to 4. All players must place that number of cards from hand beneath own draw pile and draw an equal number of cards. • Identifiers: OT, Feast • Verse: Leviticus 23:24 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Luke 15_15-16 (Di)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Prevent all draw abilities, except on Heroes. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Luke 15:15-16 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2010, 02:17:40 AM »

I would have said the placing happens, but you never get to draw

Korunks · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:16:37 AM »

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on November 17, 2010, 02:17:40 AM

I would have said the placing happens, but you never get to draw

I would agree with that. It does not say place the cards on the bottom to draw. So I would rule it is a do as much as you can situation. However INE.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:26:54 AM »

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on November 17, 2010, 02:17:40 AM

I would have said the placing happens, but you never get to draw

I agree.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2010, 02:16:33 PM »

EVERY. TURN.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2010, 02:17:43 PM »

can you say combo combo combo? (sorry andrew)

SomeKittens · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2010, 02:45:41 PM »

*insert random African country*

Incidentally, what's the ruling on how this card works if you've got less than the number chosen in hand?

adotson85 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2010, 03:41:58 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on November 19, 2010, 02:45:41 PM

*insert random African country*

Incidentally, what's the ruling on how this card works if you've got less than the number chosen in hand?

Then you put as many as you have underneath. If you have 3 in hand and your opponent specifies to put 4 underneath, then you put your 3 under and draw 3.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2010, 03:46:50 PM »

What if I'm the one who's playing it? If I've got three cards, can I say four?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2010, 03:56:35 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on November 19, 2010, 03:46:50 PM

What if I'm the one who's playing it? If I've got three cards, can I say four?

I would say yes. The choice of the number is independent of the number of cards in your hand. Thus, if you have two cards and say four, you place two and draw two, everyone else places four and draws four (assuming they can).

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2010, 09:30:08 PM »

huh....really......

SomeKittens · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2010, 09:47:36 PM »

Now all we need is a ruling on the Boat.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2010, 12:42:59 PM »

What about set-aside abilities being CBN? I was pretty sure that the lost soul would not affect the set-aside drawing.

P.S. are the set-aside abilities CBN by some game rule or are they that way because of the rule on abilities from a previous turn?

SomeKittens · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2010, 02:06:17 PM »

Abilities gained by set-aside (Tower, added abilities, Banding) can't be negated.

The M · « **Reply #14 on:** November 21, 2010, 03:59:39 PM »

They can't?
Would that also make the rest of the ability un-negatable?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2011, 11:32:25 PM »

BUMP

need confirmation on this please

Gabe · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2011, 12:02:43 AM »

Quote from: REG

The special ability gained in set-aside cannot be interrupted, prevented or negated when the character enters the Field of Battle.

The Set-Aside section of the old REG was written before the set-aside cards from Priests were released. It alludes to the fact that abilities gained from set-aside cards cannot be negated. When that section of the REG is updated it will be more clearly stated.

Abilities gained while set-aside cannot be negated after return.

That includes the draw from Feast of Trumpets.

Korunks · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2011, 08:04:33 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on March 24, 2011, 12:02:43 AM

Quote from: REG
The special ability gained in set-aside cannot be interrupted, prevented or negated when the character enters the Field of Battle.

The Set-Aside section of the old REG was written before the set-aside cards from Priests were released. It alludes to the fact that abilities gained from set-aside cards cannot be negated. When that section of the REG is updated it will be more clearly stated.

Abilities gained while set-aside cannot be negated after return.

That includes the draw from Feast of Trumpets.

I disagree. Since when is drawing a gained ability?

Gabe · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2011, 08:21:15 AM »

Quote from: Korunks on March 24, 2011, 08:04:33 AM

I disagree. Since when is drawing a gained ability?

Since it was gained from a set-aside enhancement.

Korunks · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2011, 08:29:21 AM »

It was triggered by returning, not gained by a character. And here another elder has ruled it as a triggered ability not a gained one.

Quote from: RTSmaniac on August 14, 2010, 12:38:20 AM

so if its not giving a gained ability, what is the effect called? Is it just an effect from a set aside card?

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 14, 2010, 10:09:25 AM

It's a triggered effect that triggers when the heroes return. It can be prevented/negated, unless it was CBN when played (as Polarius said with Josh or now with His Name is John).

This is from the other thread here.

Currently there is no elder consensus, so now what?

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2011, 11:36:42 AM »

Korunks · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2011, 11:43:13 AM »

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #22 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:16:51 AM »

so we got two elders ruling differently here- can we get a consensus?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #23 on:** March 26, 2011, 10:31:02 AM »

I still say that it is a triggered ability, based on the fact that he Heroes don't gain any ability. If you set aside Gideon with Provisions, he gains an ability and thus would no longer be protected by Windows of Narrow Light. If you set him aside with Pentecost, I don't think he gained any abilities, you just performed an action when he returns.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #24 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:17:13 PM »

would this be considered as cards like Equipped for the Mission?

Set a Hero aside. On return, reveal one good card from the top of draw pile for each turn hero was set aside.

Is this considered a gained ability?

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Author Topic: Feast of Trumpets+Anti-Draw LS (Read 7423 times)