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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Master KChief on September 21, 2010, 02:03:04 AM
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does the anti-burial ls still work if the fbtn ls is in play?
Galatians 3_13 (AW)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: While this card is in a Land of Redemption, all cards in that player's Land of Bondage are protected from Burial. • Play As: While this card is in a Land of Redemption, protect all cards in that player's Land of Bondage from Burial.
Luke 19_10 (Di)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Beginning in the phase after this card is put in play, negate all special abilities on Lost Soul cards (except this one).
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If the FbtN LS was out first, yes.
*EDIT* Misread question. That answer was for FbtN Soul v. CBP Soul. If Anti-Burial was rescued while a FbtN LS had been out for at least one phase, it does not work. If Anti-Burial soul is rescued on the phase the FbtN LS came out, it works. If Anti-Burial LS was rescued before FbtN LS came out, it works. FbtN Negates LS's, not Redeemed Souls.
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why wouldnt anti-burial work if fbtn was out prior?
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Because it's SA was being Negated when it was rescued. I'm not sure what the rule on LS's is, but I'm pretty sure they only activate in LoB and not LoR (otherwise, all the other LS's would continue to activate in LoR). It may get a special ruling a-la Prince of the Air, but I would argue that the "while in LoR" wording doesn't allow it to activate in LoR unlike other LS's, but that if it is rescued while the ability is active, it tells you what to do.
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i would say the precedent would be all other cards' special abilities that dont specify location default to play. this is why other lost souls do not work while in lor, and maybe why anti-burial activates in lor rather than in play because of its wording.
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Targets defaulting to play has nothing to do with this. The question is if LS's activate in LoR (no) and if Anti-Burial gets special ruling because of its wording (maybe).
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sounds like a triggered ability based on game state. It may trigger when it hits LoR, but I think it still has to activate in order to be able to trigger. I would rule the ability is prevented from activating, therefore not allowing the triggered ability to take place.
question: if a card allowed you to take a LS from your deck and put it in your LoR, and you chose this card- would it still work?
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I would say that the anit burial works because when the ability is triggered is when it's rescued and the fbtn ls only targets in play so it should work.
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Once a Lost Soul is rescued, it becomes a redeemed soul. Would that mean that the Anti-Burial LS ability triggers when it becomes a redeemed soul (since it triggers "while in a LoR"), and thus it isn't an "ability on a LS card" but an ability on a redeemed soul card? (Dang, that sounds like a T2 player talking.)
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I agree with Polarius. The Anti-Burial soul's ability can only be triggered when rescued if the trigger is set. While it is in play, it's SA is negated. When it leaves play and ceases to be a target of the FBTN soul, it has already been rescued, and the time for the trigger has past.
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I disagree on the timing of the trigger. The card does not say "When this card is placed in a LoR..." which would imply that the trigger takes place before it goes to the LoB. It says "While this card is in a LoR..." which would put the trigger AFTER it has been placed in the LoR. Since the LoR is out of play, the effect of the FBTN LS doesn't work there.
I'm OK with whatever the PTB say, but I think this is a more accurate timing, and doesn't require either making an exception for the FBTN LS or the unsatisfying and weird situation in which a SA that doesn't take effect while the card is in play is somehow prevented from working when the card is out of play, where the ability should trigger.
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The LS ability is negated. It doesnt work.
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The LS ability is negated. It doesnt work.
Sa'a defualt to play
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The LS ability is negated. It doesnt work.
Sa'a defualt to play
Who gave you permission to use Roy's avatar? This is very confusing.
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The LS ability is negated. It doesnt work.
Sa'a defualt to play
Who gave you permission to use Roy's avatar? This is very confusing.
for a minute or 2 i had schaef's! :laugh:
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The LS ability is negated. It doesnt work.
Sa'a defualt to play
Who gave you permission to use Roy's avatar? This is very confusing.
for a minute or 2 i had schaef's! :laugh:
And now you have Bryon's....Can't you just use an original one rather than plagiarizing other people's?
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Now he has Lambo's!!!! Ugh, I'm so confused.
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i, for one, appreciate the variety.
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i, for one, appreciate the variety.
You can have variety without stealing other people's avatars, though.
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imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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But it is better to fail in originality than succeed in imitation since imitation is suicide.
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I agree.
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touche.
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Lol, nice, when did you change yours? I thought you still had your Team OG one last I checked - Jitter is pretty awesome though.
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HAY GUYS CAN I JOIN IN TOO
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back on topic! >:( >:( >:(
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Lol, nice, when did you change yours? I thought you still had your Team OG one last I checked - Jitter is pretty awesome though.
about nine minutes ago.
back on topic! >:( >:( >:(
win.
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What is going on?
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What is going on?
tl;dr.
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I return home from the office in three hours. One of two things will happen at that point. Either I will log on and see people's avatars returned to normal, or I will log on and shut off custom avatars.
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Just give the copiers a 1 day ban instead of shutting of lawabideing citziens avatars. It's a better salution.
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Well that certainly isn't good. I'll change my avatar right after I screen cap this thread, it'll just take a few minutes <3
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Just give the copiers a 1 day ban instead of shutting of lawabideing citziens avatars. It's a better salution.
+1 There is a time when it is appropriate to punish everyone. It is when everyone is bad, or when you can't tell who is responsible for something bad, and no one owns up to it. In this case it is very obvious who is doing what, and very easy to tailor punishment accordingly.
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I must... I think this could have gone on a little longer. I don't see the harm in this thread, I think we all would have changed by tomorrow.
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Send screen cap plz.
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I just read the Terms of Agreement for the first time and I don't even see how this is against the rules :c.
Is it because it is defamatory? Spamming? Invasion of Personal Privacy? False?
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I just read the Terms of Agreement for the first time and I don't even see how this is against the rules :c.
Is it because it is defamatory? Spamming? Invasion of Personal Privacy? False?
its called tyranny.
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I return home from the office in three hours. One of two things will happen at that point. Either I will log on and see people's avatars returned to normal, or I will log on and shut off custom avatars.
I rarely comment on the same discussion, with another Admin. This time, I am. Peace to all who see light in the matter that Schaef just posted. It was easier for him to have given a 'blanket' warning so that there will be no need to run after each perpetrator.
Many of you on this thread also know me personally. Please return to your own avatars immediately.
Back to topic --- as one of our brothers has said.
Thanks. Peace and God's blessings.
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Hey Roy, think there are enough identifiers on your card? :D
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Hey Roy, think there are enough identifiers on your card? :D
There better be. Coz you owe me Nats attendance! I missed you, young Jedi.
Okidoki. Back to topic people.
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as did i
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I've heard rumblings that GA may (FINALLY) get it this year. If so, I'll be there.
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changed
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I've heard rumblings that GA may (FINALLY) get it this year. If so, I'll be there.
I have NO official info, but my guess would be MN in '11, and somewhere south (GA, FL, TX) in '12. GA has several notables in the game (Tyler, Clift, Witten, R99, etc.) and especially Eric "Elder" Largent. FL has been up and coming recently led by some other notables in the game (YMT and VP RR), multiple playgroups that are growing and spreading, and the best fringe activities with Disney World. TX seemed to be out of the running until recently, but Terry seems to be back in business hosting this year, and has several notables in the game there too (Chad and Ben). I would think that all 3 of those states have a good shot at '12.
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minnesota for nats '11.
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MN '11, TN '12 Knoxville- GO CRASHFACH!
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MN would be another possible attendance for me since I have family up there.