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For years the rule has been that abilities which grant CBI/P/N abilities are CBN. Apparently the elders say that's changed but it was never announced or even brought up until now.

No, it only grants CBN status IF the conditions are met.  After all, if a covenant is up, the CBP LS does not grant CBP status.  The same would work if the FbtN LS was active at least one phase before the battle because it would negate the status of the CBP LS.  This is how it has always been played.

Clarifying a widely misunderstood rule is basically the same as an actual change since it changes how the majority plays those abilities/cards.

I really didn't know that this was being widely misplayed.

After all, if a covenant is up, the CBP LS does not grant CBP status.  The same would work if the FbtN LS was active at least one phase before the battle because it would negate the status of the CBP LS.

That's exactly right, and was why I thought that everyone was playing this the right way.  It just seemed intuitive.

IT just comes from a simple reading of the card and making sure it says what you think it says.  Often I think a card says something and then when I re-read it, I find that it does not say what I think it says.

Some cards limit when a LS can be negated and when it cannot.  For example.. "Cannot be negated if played on a Genesis Character" clearly limits when a card can be negated and when it cannot.

In the case of this LS it says:

Jeremiah 11_8 (RA)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Unless a Covenant is in play, the first evil Enhancement you play each battle cannot be prevented by a good card. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Jeremiah 11:8 • Availability: Rock of Ages booster packs (None)

So if CAN be prevented by an evil card (such as playing an enhancement on KoT) or a neutral card, like a fortress, site or LS.

In this case, the FBtN LS would negate the ability on the CBP LS and render it just like a LS with no SA until the other soul is rescued, buried or negated.