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would the fbtn lost soul prevent the first enhancement being played on an evil character from becoming cannot be prevented?

Luke 19_10 (Di)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Beginning in the phase after this card is put in play, negate all special abilities on Lost Soul cards (except this one). • Identifiers: None • Verse: Luke 19:10 • Availability: Disciples booster packs ()


cant find the cbp lost soul in the REG.

The CBP LS says something like CBP good card.  Since the FBTN LS is neutral it negates it, no questions asked.

Except that abilities that grant cbn/p/i are themselves cbn/i/p

We've discussed this on the elder side of the boards and came to an easy consensus.  If you didn't (or don't) agree, why bring it up here/now?

so fbtn lost soul negates cbp lost soul then, regardless which was in play first?

nice, thanks.

So...we're reversing the ruling on abilities that grant CBP/I/N themselves being CBP/I/N?

No, in this case there is not a good card preventing it.  CBP good =/= CBP good + neutral + evil

Um, so if I have the CBP LS out and you attack BTN, and the card I play is placed on a LS to Negate it...wut?

to make the redemption universe implode?

Jeremiah 11_8 (RA)
Type: Lost Soul • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Unless a Covenant is in play, the first evil Enhancement you play each battle cannot be prevented by a good card. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Jeremiah 11:8 • Availability: Rock of Ages booster packs (None)


IT is this simple.  Unless a covenant is in play (check first for this..in this case we are assuming it is not in play) the first enhancement cannot be prevented by a good card.  So enhancements can be prevented by evil cards and neutral cards.  the BTN LS is a neutral card so it negated the SA on the punisher LS.

Not really considering that we've also established a rule that a card either has CBN/I/P when its played, or it doesn't, and that status doesn't change. - In your example the Enhancement was CBP when it was played, so it remains CBP even after the CBP grant ends, resulting in no loop.

I still vehemently oppose the more complicated ruling that's being suggested now and ask what was wrong with the original ruling?

This isn't new according to how most of the active elders understand it.  It's the same ruling.

Um, so if I have the CBP LS out and you attack BTN, and the card I play is placed on a LS to Negate it...wut?

OK Polaris, in this "Oh So Clear" example are you:
1. Suggesting that the BTN LS is already out in play negating the CBP LS when a person attacks with a BTN Hero?
2. Asking if the CBP LS even works when a BTN Hero attacks (which is what it was designed to work against for)
3. ??WUT???


Since you were so clear, I went on the assumption #1 which in this case I would rule that it is being negated...by the FBtN LS and not by the Captain of the Host that is attacking.  There is no loop because the FBtN LS would negate the ability on the CBP LS and therefore the placed enhancement would simply be played for numbers against an attacking Captain.

But to be Honest this conversation seems to be somewhere else because I have NO idea why this is being argued, it seem so intuitive.  Is there something I am missing?

For years the rule has been that abilities which grant CBI/P/N abilities are CBN. Apparently the elders say that's changed but it was never announced or even brought up until now.

Actually is what we're saying is not that it has changed, but that you have clearly misunderstood it.  There's no change so there's nothing to announce.