Author Topic: Samuel again (Read 4285 times)

SomeKittens · « **Reply #25 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:14:21 PM »

What's the big deal with a 4/4 banding to Moses? Edict is nice, but still...

Master KChief · « **Reply #26 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:18:57 PM »

edict wont even be cbn because sam isnt the only hero in battle.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #27 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:25:21 PM »

...right. I need to re-read all the new cards.

Captain Kirk · « **Reply #28 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:28:49 PM »

What I am excited about is discarding my Joseph from hand and then attacking the next turn with Samuel to band to Judah to exchange for Joseph. Then the haters can really hate.

Kirk

Master KChief · « **Reply #29 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:30:09 PM »

oh snap.

STAMP · « **Reply #30 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:32:46 PM »

Moses (Wa)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 8 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: All special abilities on character cards and enhancement cards except this one are interrupted and prevented. Battle is determined by the numbers. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Judge & Musician, Prophet, Fought Earthly Battle, Priest, Angel, Royalty, Egyptian, NT hero, I Samuel hero • Verse: Exodus 3:14

Am I forgetting any identifiers?

Master KChief · « **Reply #31 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:40:02 PM »

chuck norris.

Gabe · « **Reply #32 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:44:08 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 08, 2011, 01:39:11 PM

Now I'm really hoping this ruling gets reversed. Samuel is bad enough without banding to Moses and Gideon.

Don't worry. This isn't a ruling that Sam can band to those Heroes. It's something said previously in this thread based on a misunderstanding. They confused Samuel with Joab. Their abilities are not worded the same. Joab says "any Hero mentioned in..." where Samuel specifically requires a I Samuel reference on the card.

lightningninja · « **Reply #33 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:45:16 PM »

Oh great and then BOTH of those heroes are in the same coherent deck.

Also why is no one talking about how unfair it is to band Cherubim to him. Then they can't even stop you with dominants. >.<

STAMP · « **Reply #34 on:** September 08, 2011, 03:01:04 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on September 08, 2011, 02:44:08 PM

where Samuel specifically requires a I Samuel reference on the card.

When it comes down to a choice between number of words and the headaches incurred by the Redemption populace, why are the headaches always chosen? Conspiracies begin that way, e.g. there's a backroom deal with Bayer and Tylenol.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #35 on:** September 08, 2011, 03:27:52 PM »

I didn't realize that we made the ruling that I Samuel Hero meant a reference from I Samuel was required. While I certainly agree that would be the easiest solution, it should probably be clarified. So would this mean that Sam can't band to a converted Goliath?

CJSports · « **Reply #36 on:** September 08, 2011, 04:16:01 PM »

So is the final consensus that Sam can't band to anyone without a 1 Samuel reference on the card.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #37 on:** September 08, 2011, 04:58:53 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on September 08, 2011, 02:45:16 PM

Oh great and then BOTH of those heroes are in the same coherent deck.

Also why is no one talking about how unfair it is to band Cherubim to him. Then they can't even stop you with dominants. >.<

Then you lose the D2 from Oak.

Josh · « **Reply #38 on:** September 08, 2011, 09:13:55 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on September 08, 2011, 12:18:04 PM

2. As printed, "a male I Samuel Hero" can be any hero that is found in the book of I Samuel. It doesn't matter what the reference is on the hero card. I can't recall off the top of my head, but there is at least another card like this on which Bryon ruled the same way. (If I have the time I'll go find it, unless it's on the old boards.)

If this was true, then Purple King Hezekiah banded to Isaiah would make the band CBN (since Isaiah says "Good Isaiah cards cannot be negated" and Hezekiah is in Isaiah chapter 37).

I don't think being mentioned in a book makes the card "a card from that book". It makes it "a card mentioned in that book". Otherwise, the following heroes would be NT for being mentioned in Hebrews chapter 11:
Abel
Enoch
Noah
Abraham
Sarah
Isaac
Jacob
Joseph
Moses (but we already knew this)
Pharaoh's Daughter
Gideon
Barak
Jephthah
Samson
David
Samuel

Gabe · « **Reply #39 on:** September 08, 2011, 10:48:43 PM »

Answer to Prayer cannot search for The Angel of the Lord.

Nobody has counted Ruth as a N.T. female for He Is Risen or Susaana.

Aaron does not band to Jacob.

And Samuel clearly only bands to a male Hero with a I Samuel reference on the card.

When a special ability or identifier references cards based on scripture, it's solely based on the scripture reference on those cards, not all the places you might find them referenced in the Bible. The only exception I can think of is Joab, who spells it out in the special ability my saying "mentioned in I and II Samuel". This isn't new language being used on Samuel. I'm not sure why it's suddenly confusing to people.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 09, 2011, 12:33:17 AM »

I get that but what I don't get is the uber strick reference rule. I am guessing that the cards without a reference are that way because back in that day they didn't want to take up more space in addition to righting PROMO, not for game play purposes. There is no good reason to exclude them from being able to be used as intended/should because it was simply overlooked, an honest mistake (I say overlooked because Goliath was reprinted with a scripture reference). Besides recurring Aocp with Matthew isn't that great anymore, if it ever was. Just a hobbit's opinion.

STAMP · « **Reply #41 on:** September 09, 2011, 11:05:56 AM »

Quote from: Gabe on September 08, 2011, 10:48:43 PM

Answer to Prayer cannot search for The Angel of the Lord.

Nobody has counted Ruth as a N.T. female for He Is Risen or Susaana.

Aaron does not band to Jacob.

And Samuel clearly only bands to a male Hero with a I Samuel reference on the card.

When a special ability or identifier references cards based on scripture, it's solely based on the scripture reference on those cards, not all the places you might find them referenced in the Bible. The only exception I can think of is Joab, who spells it out in the special ability my saying "mentioned in I and II Samuel". This isn't new language being used on Samuel. I'm not sure why it's suddenly confusing to people.

Duly noted. I think the "I" (or "1", if you will) in front of Samuel was throwing me off...or at least reminding me of the Joab ruling.

However...

Quote from: STAMP on September 08, 2011, 12:18:04 PM

Samuel (RA2)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Green/Yellow • Ability: 4 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate play abilities. You may search deck for King Saul or David and put it in play to draw 2. May band to a male I Samuel Hero. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Judge, Prophet • Verse: I Samuel 7:16-17 • Availability: Rock of Ages Extended booster packs (None)

Before whacking away at special abilities willy-nilly, please consider the consequences.

1. If only King David was to be searched for, then it should have read "King Saul or King David" OR "Kings Saul or David". As printed, a player can search for David or King David.

2. As printed, "a male I Samuel Hero" can be any hero that is found in the book of I Samuel. It doesn't matter what the reference is on the hero card. I can't recall off the top of my head, but there is at least another card like this on which Bryon ruled the same way. (If I have the time I'll go find it, unless it's on the old boards.)

Finally, regarding Split Altar I gave up the ghost on that awhile ago. I am somewhat mollified that the new set gave us some new green that makes it a fun and playable brigade again. But it will never make up for the crimes against SA and ANB.

I Am Correct regarding number 1. above. And don't give me the "that's not how it was intended", because that rings very hollow considering Split Altar.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #42 on:** September 09, 2011, 11:09:16 AM »

Again, that was intentional. He's meant to be able to search for all the Davids.

STAMP · « **Reply #43 on:** September 09, 2011, 11:13:36 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on September 09, 2011, 11:09:16 AM

Again, that was intentional. He's meant to be able to search for all the Davids.

Well, that's refreshing.

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Author Topic: Samuel again (Read 4285 times)

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