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noticed.  lol

Makes for interesting interactions, but can you point to the highly problematic part?

If there are such parts, then I foresee some sort of "play as" to translate the old wording into today's terminology (in a way that does not involve capture.  Otherwise, do you think we could run with it as "Capture a redeemed soul in a land of redemption."?

I think the biggest hangup is that capture abiities are supposed to target characters, and Redeemed Souls are not really characters.  That is probably a good enough reason to call this something other than capture.  But it is similar to capture, to be sure.

Hey,

Uh-oh, I just discovered a problem. "Place in your Land of Bondage" is a capture ability when it targets Heroes. As of right now, Falling Away is an Evil Capture Card =/

Try reading Falling Away again.  It says "Return card to your land of bondage" NOT "Place in your Land of Bondage."  There is no capture wording in Falling Away's ability.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Agreed. It's wording that doesn't really work, but is most similar to a capture ability (place being replaced with return).

Hey,

What is the redemption definition for 'return'?

The new REG defines it as follows:  "A return ability puts a card in a location and/or state that the card (usually) had been in at some earlier point in the game."

It seems like to me that to be returned you must have been there in the first place, so if a soul hasn't already been in your LOB....

The new REG also says the following regarding return: "A card can be returned to a location even if it has never been in that location before. Return abilities generally send cards to a place they came from, but they do not have to."

Pushed Back can return a hero that entered battle from hand to it's owner's territory.  Falling Away can return a lost soul to a land of bondage it's never been in before.

In redemption we use the "regress" definition of "return" rather than the "revert" definition.  There is a normal progression a card goes through in the course of a game of Redemption.  Return is an ability that moves a card backwards in that progression.

We seem to have steered away from the real concern here. Is the REG quote I gave simply obsolete and disregarded?

I would say yes, it is obsolete and inaccurate.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly