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I believe that part of those artifacts only happens when activated.

If it's during your prep phase and you chose to leave it active, the special ability refreshes and you can get your Hero back.

I agree with Polarius. The "prevent" part of Cov. of Pal. is an ongoing ability, but "return to territory" is an instant ability that only can be activated one time.

As an aside, here is an interesting quote from the REG under Miscellaneous Ongoing Abilities:

Characters placed in a Land of Redemption reset to face value.

What in the world is that supposed to mean? It makes it sound like a captured hero who is rescued, then Falling Away'd, is now back to being a hero. 

It seems to me more likely to mean that gained abilities, increases or decreases to numbers, etc. are reset.

LoR, not LoB. If Paul is Captured and then Rescued, he becomes a Rescued Saul.

I apparently can't read. Removed my question that didn't make sense.

That doesn't completely resolve the issue, though. He was a converted hero, then a captured hero, then a Redeemed Saul, but what is he when he comes back?

If Falling Away is played on a Rescued Saul, he is Saul when he comes back. There is no such thing as a Rescued Paul.

Obviously he's Saul, I wasn't inquiring WHO he was. I was asking WHAT he was. Focus on the adjectives, not the nouns, in my example.

Hur durr, he's a Captured Evil Character.

Why? He was captured as a hero, he was reset in LoR, there doesn't seem to be any reason for him to be treated as such.

Quote from: browarod on September 10, 2010, 07:12:54 PM

Why? He was captured as a hero, he was reset in LoR, there doesn't seem to be any reason for him to be treated as such.

Answering your own question FTW. (Paul IS Saul at face value).

Yet again, I know he's "Saul". Can we please read what my questions are rather than giving the same non-answers anymore? >_<

EDIT: Better yet, let me just spell it out to prevent further confusion. Why is Saul a "captured evil character"? He was captured as a hero, not an EC. Sure he was reset to an EC in LoR, but wouldn't that also reset the "captured" tag (the REG quote says face value, and Saul is not captured at face value)?

wouldn't covenant of palestine only return characters during your preparation phase?

He would be a lost soul at that point, not a captured anything. Falling away just treats cards as lost souls, they lose the captured identifier when they reset I'm assuming. 

Finally! Someone who got what I was going for .

Read Falling Away.

Lost Soul =/= captured evil character

So then would Z's Temple protect your Z's Temple priests in LoR from FA?

No, because LoR is out of play.

Crap, you're right. /sad

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Lost Souls represent people that need to be rescued from the power of sin and death. As these cards are drawn, they are placed in the Land of Bondage. Rescue of a Lost Soul takes place in the Field of Battle during a rescue attempt. When a Lost Soul is rescued, it is no longer called a Lost Soul. It becomes a Redeemed Soul

From REG

If cards reset in LoR after they become Redeemed Souls, then characters in your LoR don't add to your score.

He would be a lost soul at that point, not a captured anything. Falling away just treats cards as lost souls, they lose the captured identifier when they reset I'm assuming.  

So now I'm confused with my original question then, because I am getting two different answers.  It sounds like Smokey is saying that a hero who becomes a lost soul, then is redeemed, and then falls away to a lost soul again, is no longer a captured hero?  So that Covenant of Palestine would never bring said "lost soul" back to hero status?  I'm just asking this because it could have a big impact on which lost soul I play Falling Away on.  If I knew there was a way for me to get my hero back that's the lost soul I would pick.  Thanks again everyone for helping to resolve this for me.