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Quick question...as it has been a LONG time since I've played Redemption.

I attack with Ahimaaz with I am Patience active, while having access to a lost soul.

Ahimaaz:
"Holder may look at one opponent's hand or cards face down in a Site. Hero may then withdraw from battle unharmed or continue the battle. Ahimaaz cannot be captured."

I am Patience:
"At the end of your turn, if your rescue attempt failed you may convert one human Evil Character (except warrior class) to a green brigade Hero."

If I attack with Ahimaaz, look at their hand, and leave the battle, would it be considered a failed rescue attempt, and allow me to use I am patience?

Sorry if this is obvious, it has been a long time since I've had to answer any redemption questions.

Thanks in advance.

First off, if you had access to a LS, then it was a Rescue Attempt and not a Battle Challenge.

Now, whether or not it's a failed RA depends on whether Redemption's definition of a failed RA requires you to be blocked and not get a LS, or for you to just not get a LS. If it's the former, then you don't get to activate I am Patient; if it's the latter, you do.

Logically, I would lean towards the latter definition as wouldn't starting a RA and failing to get a LS be the logical definition of a failed RA? But no one has ever said that Redemption utilizes logic in determining all of it's rules...

A follow up question: What about if Lazarus was discarded, and you started a new battle with someone else and rescued a lost soul? Would you be able to convert with I Am Patience in that case?

Lazarus: "If Lazarus is discarded and your rescue attempt fails, search discard pile for a good convert Enhancement and you may begin a new battle."

I would guess that in the Lazarus scenario I am Patience would fire after your second rescue attempt finishes.

Quote from: Praeceps on February 06, 2015, 02:22:00 PM

I would guess that in the Lazarus scenario I am Patience would fire after your second rescue attempt finishes.

I think it would trigger after the new hero is presented and again if the second hero has a failed rescue attempt. Unless it specifies once per turn.

Sorry I missed the at the end of your turn. I agree with Praeceps (no matter how much it hurts to say that!).

I Am Patience specifically says "end of turn" though

Or if they both fail, does it trigger twice?

You missed the same thing I did! The SA of I Am Patience specifies at the end of your turn not the end of your rescue attempt. So it will not actually trigger until the end of discard phase which is the end of your turn. Now what I think is still up for debate is if the first rescue attempt failed but the second succeds does the SA trigger because there was a failed rescue attempt? Or is the second then considered your rescue attempt and the success trump the original failure?

Anyone have an answer to this?

I've been pondering this one, reviewing old threads, working with the ability, and I'm fairly confident now in what I'm going to say.

"At the end of your turn, if your rescue attempt failed you may convert one human Evil Character (except warrior class) to a green brigade Hero."

My ruling would be that this is 'triggered' upon any of your rescue attempts failing during the turn.  That is, any battle that was a rescue attempt at any point (there was a soul that could be rescued by the heroes in battle at ANY point in said battle) which did not result in an actual rescue of a soul during battle resolution (any number of reasons: protection, shuffle, hero(es) defeated, battle became a battle challenge instead due to special ability, etc.) 'triggers' I Am Patience, which waits to complete until the end of the turn (not between battles).  A successful rescue later does not invalidate the trigger being made.

At the end of the turn, if the statement "your rescue attempt failed" is true, then the conversion may take place.  Note, however, that this is one conversion, as it does not say "for each failed rescue attempt," it is a singular If-Then trigger.  So you can have attempted rescue, then Grapes, then Ambush the City, then run-away Ahimaaz for 4 separate 'rescue attempts' that failed (no soul rescued when one could have been), and you still only get one conversion.

I agree with Redoubter's assessment.