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Title: Evil Spirit question
Post by: Red Wing on January 26, 2012, 03:53:06 PM
Evil Spirit (Wa)

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Convert any Human Hero except Mary to an Evil Character for remainder of battle. • Play As: Convert any Human Hero except Mary to an Evil Character for remainder of battle. Return converted Hero to territory. • Identifiers: OT, Connected with Demons • Verse: I Samuel 16:15 • Availability: Warriors booster packs (Rare)

Can Evil Spirit convert MMoJ? What about Mary Mag?
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: SomeKittens on January 26, 2012, 03:58:06 PM
I would say it's only the hero Mary, none other, but that's probably not what it's supposed to do.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: STAMP on January 26, 2012, 04:18:11 PM
Use the ruling for how David is handled.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: SomeKittens on January 26, 2012, 04:28:30 PM
Use the ruling for how David is handled.
That's different, since King David and David are the same person.  The many Marys (great band name) aren't.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: STAMP on January 26, 2012, 04:54:13 PM
Use the ruling for how David is handled.
That's different, since King David and David are the same person.  The many Marys (great band name) aren't.

I'm in the camp that believes Mary, mother of Christ, is Mary, mother of James, in Mark 16:1 based on my Bible studies.  My response is therefore similar to the David ruling in that context.

Forgive me if that is not the case for the card in the game.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: SomeKittens on January 26, 2012, 04:56:12 PM
I'm suspecting that Evil Spirit is referencing Mary Magdalene, rather than MoJ.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: STAMP on January 26, 2012, 04:59:08 PM
Hard to say considering the verse used: I Samuel 16:15.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: SomeKittens on January 26, 2012, 05:01:46 PM
Hard to say considering the verse used: I Samuel 16:15.
Can you name me another Mary that had issues with Evil Spirits?
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: Drrek on January 26, 2012, 05:02:31 PM
I'm suspecting that Evil Spirit is referencing Mary Magdalene, rather than MoJ.

I'd be inclined to agree based off Mary Magdalene's ability
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: Minister Polarius on January 26, 2012, 05:49:58 PM
I never even realized that was on the card! Better solution: use Kings because it's better in every way.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: Drrek on January 26, 2012, 06:03:07 PM
I just find it weird that they put the except mary on the card if it was meant to target Mary Magdalene, since the Mary Magdalene out at the time was immune to it anyway.

I never even realized that was on the card! Better solution: use Kings because it's better in every way.

I agree, but there's always the small possibility that this could come up in booster draft.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: Professoralstad on January 26, 2012, 06:30:39 PM
I never even realized that was on the card! Better solution: use Kings because it's better in every way.

Except Kings is restricted to OT. I have always assumed that it meant Mary mother of Jesus. I do not believe that any of the Marys in the game represent the same person, though I understand the arguments for mother of Jesus=mother of James. I'm not sure why the exception was made, but have always thought it might be rooted in Catholicism.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: Minister Polarius on January 26, 2012, 06:35:39 PM
Redemption's stance is that if there's any doubt and they go by two different names, different people. That's why Thaddeus and Jude are different people, as well as Lemuel and Solomon.
Title: Re: Evil Spirit question
Post by: STAMP on January 26, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Redemption's stance is that if there's any doubt and they go by two different names, different people. That's why Thaddeus and Jude are different people, as well as Lemuel and Solomon.

I'm agreeable to that stance.
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