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Enoch
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 7 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Enoch may be removed from the game, but is prevented from being discarded. • Errata: Enoch may be removed from the game, but is protected from being discarded

ok... so can I RA with Enoch, and remove him from the game instantly? I understand that the whole 'may be removed from the game' means that he's not protected from that... but based off the wording, it seems like it could, though, it wouldn't make sense, as there's no benefit from the card, like The Destroyer.

You could band to him to force them to block small then remove him. (cuz they need to capture him)

so, you can just remove him from the game? is that an instant ability?

I'm pretty sure that you cannot just choose to remove him from the game when you present him in battle. I guess the "Play As" needs to be reworded.

RR's scenario would not work, since his SA would have to take affect upon entering battle, and remove from the game is an instant ability that would have to be carried out at that moment or not at all.

ok, so it would be an instant ability... if it works...

This is the worst worded card?  While Helmet of Salvation (Wa) still exists?

This is the worst worded card?  While Helmet of Salvation (Wa) still exists?

not talking about the play as. ok... how can someone be prevented from discard? if that would mean it prevents discards, the why would he return to his territory? and why would it say Enoch may be removed from the game?

Although I agree, I still think that a literal translation of the SA could cause confusion and, ultimately, incorrect rulings. Since there is already a "Play As" to clear up the "return Enoch to territory" part, another adjustment to the "Play As" may be prudent.

Why not just reword it as "Enoch is protected from discard"?

The "may be removed" part is kinda redundant.

As is the "return Enoch to territory after battle."  I approve.

not talking about the play as. ok... how can someone be prevented from discard? if that would mean it prevents discards, the why would he return to his territory? and why would it say Enoch may be removed from the game?

Who said anything about the Play As?  I'm confused.
Which brings me to my point about Helmet.  How is a Hero immune to Confusion, a card that affects your deck?

Quote from: The Schaef on March 09, 2009, 08:41:23 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 09, 2009, 06:30:51 PM

not talking about the play as. ok... how can someone be prevented from discard? if that would mean it prevents discards, the why would he return to his territory? and why would it say Enoch may be removed from the game?

Who said anything about the Play As?  I'm confused.
Which brings me to my point about Helmet.  How is a Hero immune to Confusion, a card that affects your deck?

It makes the card "Hero" in your deck immune to Confusion.  However, this effect does not extend to the player or any other cards in that player's draw pile.

actually, it doesn't because abilities only activate in battle.  Enoch in a deck could be discarded with confusion

Quote from: MichaelHue on March 09, 2009, 10:36:10 PM

Quote from: The Schaef on March 09, 2009, 08:41:23 PM

Quote from: Ring Wraith on March 09, 2009, 06:30:51 PM

not talking about the play as. ok... how can someone be prevented from discard? if that would mean it prevents discards, the why would he return to his territory? and why would it say Enoch may be removed from the game?

Who said anything about the Play As?  I'm confused.
Which brings me to my point about Helmet.  How is a Hero immune to Confusion, a card that affects your deck?

It makes the card "Hero" in your deck immune to Confusion.  However, this effect does not extend to the player or any other cards in that player's draw pile.

actually, it doesn't because abilities only activate in battle.  Enoch in a deck could be discarded with confusion

I was j/k.  I was saying that if there was a card titled "Hero" in your draw pile, Helmet would make it immune.  I wasn't talking about Enoch.