Author Topic: Satan's Folly (Read 1571 times)

SomeKittens · « **on:** July 05, 2011, 02:37:34 AM »

Can this be used anytime like a heal enhancement?

Satan's Folly (Ap)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: White • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: If one of holder's Heroes is about to be discarded, Holder may substitute an Evil Character from an opponent's territory in place of the Hero being discarded. • Errata: If a Hero is discarded later in this battle, discard an Evil Character in an opponent’s territory to heal that Hero. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Colossians 2:15 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Ultra Rare)

See also:

• Discard

• Heal

Smokey · « **Reply #1 on:** July 05, 2011, 04:34:31 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 05, 2011, 02:37:34 AM

Can this be used anytime like a heal enhancement?

Satan's Folly (Ap)

Type: Hero Enh. Brigade: White Ability: None Class: None Special Ability: If one of holder's Heroes is about to be discarded, Holder may substitute an Evil Character from an opponent's territory in place of the Hero being discarded. Errata: If a Hero is discarded later in this battle, discard an Evil Character in an opponents territory to heal that Hero. Identifiers: None Verse: Colossians 2:15 Availability: Apostles booster packs (Ultra Rare)

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #2 on:** July 05, 2011, 10:50:15 AM »

What Smokey is trying to say is that since the errata says "later this battle," the card must be played in battle.

CountFount · « **Reply #3 on:** July 05, 2011, 10:56:28 AM »

Satan's Folly was before its time. It would make a great reprint as a territory class enhancement.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #4 on:** July 05, 2011, 11:15:25 AM »

Quote from: CountFount on July 05, 2011, 10:56:28 AM

Satan's Folly was before its time. It would make a great reprint as a territory class enhancement.

It is. They just renamed it Lay down your Life.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #5 on:** July 05, 2011, 11:39:39 AM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 05, 2011, 11:15:25 AM

Quote from: CountFount on July 05, 2011, 10:56:28 AM
Satan's Folly was before its time. It would make a great reprint as a territory class enhancement.

It is. They just renamed it Lay down your Life.

Oh cool... you can discard your opponent's EC with Lay Down Your Life... Woo-hoo!!

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2011, 11:52:39 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 05, 2011, 11:39:39 AM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 05, 2011, 11:15:25 AM
Quote from: CountFount on July 05, 2011, 10:56:28 AM
Satan's Folly was before its time. It would make a great reprint as a territory class enhancement.

It is. They just renamed it Lay down your Life.

Oh cool... you can discard your opponent's EC with Lay Down Your Life... Woo-hoo!!

Oh, right. It's the same concept, right?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2011, 01:38:06 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 05, 2011, 11:52:39 AM

It's the same concept, right?

Indeed.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2011, 02:33:54 PM »

Ah. That makes it a lot less useful. I though heal abilities could be used anytime....

Professoralstad · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2011, 03:31:19 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on July 05, 2011, 02:33:54 PM

Ah. That makes it a lot less useful. I though heal abilities could be used anytime....

They can, as long as they meet the right conditions. SF has a condition that the Hero must be discarded later in the battle, due to its errata.

What probably should happen is to errata it again to make it an instead ability, so that the confusion of it being a Healing card (which it really isn't, or at least shouldn't be IMO) goes away.

I would propose the following Errata to Satan's Folly:

"If your Hero is discarded this battle, you may discard an Evil Character from an opponent's territory instead."

Essentially, a good 50% of the Apostles set consisted of cards with abilities that seemed like they would be interesting or innovative, but the card creators had no consistent method of wording them.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2011, 11:53:51 PM »

I agree with that Errata, but do be aware it makes SF more powerful since it allows the Hero to stick around in battle.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2011, 11:50:46 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 05, 2011, 11:53:51 PM

I agree with that Errata, but do be aware it makes SF more powerful since it allows the Hero to stick around in battle.

As for SF being more powerful, that would be just fine with me, as it never is used as is, and might have a slight chance of being used with the change. Aside from that, I think my errata is closer to the original intent of the card, which doesn't say heal and is much more like an instead ability anyway.

I will put this on the other side of the board for Elder confirmation.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2011, 12:27:30 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 06, 2011, 11:50:46 AM

As for SF being more powerful, that would be just fine with me, as it never is used as is, and might have a slight chance of being used with the change. Aside from that, I think my errata is closer to the original intent of the card, which doesn't say heal and is much more like an instead ability anyway.

I agree with both these statements. The original wording on the card would have left the hero in battle if targetted by a discard SA.

browarod · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2011, 12:52:45 PM »

Since this new errata just says "discard" wouldn't that mean the instead would fire even on a game rule discard which would mean you'd be stuck with a hero in battle after battle resolution?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2011, 01:08:58 PM »

Quote from: browarod on July 06, 2011, 12:52:45 PM

Since this new errata just says "discard" wouldn't that mean the instead would fire even on a game rule discard which would mean you'd be stuck with a hero in battle after battle resolution?

I assume the way it would work is that the Hero would just return to territory, like Enoch would. The one issue I might see there is that it might trigger multiple times in a battle, but that only makes it better, and it still seems like that's the way the card was intended anyway.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2011, 02:24:30 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 06, 2011, 01:08:58 PM

I assume the way it would work is that the Hero would just return to territory, like Enoch would.

That is the current default.

Quote from: Professoralstad on July 06, 2011, 01:08:58 PM

The one issue I might see there is that it might trigger multiple times in a battle, but that only makes it better, and it still seems like that's the way the card was intended anyway.

This is an enhancement played in battle, so the SA can only trigger once anyway, right?

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BTW, I like that it says "an opponent," which makes it more fun in multiplayer.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2011, 02:28:56 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 06, 2011, 02:24:30 PM

This is an enhancement played in battle, so the SA can only trigger once anyway, right?

I disagree. I see it more like Wandering Spirit's SA, where it sets up a trigger that could be activated multiple times in a battle (i.e. several demons that are discarded go to bottom).

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2011, 02:32:10 PM »

Yeah, its like the long day.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2011, 02:41:08 PM »

I see. Oh well, I say we give it as much power as it can get!

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