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Can emperor Augustus return your N.T. heroes from Potter's Field?

Emperor Augustus
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Grey • Ability: 10 / 11 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: All N.T. humans in set aside areas must return to owner's territories. All opponents with a N.T. human in territory must discard a card from hand without using it. • Identifiers: NT Male Human, Emperor (Rome), Royalty, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: Luke 2:1


Potter's Field
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set this site aside. Holder's Heroes to be discarded are instead placed in this Site. Treat them as discarded Heroes. • Play As: Set this fortress aside. Holder's Heroes to be discarded are placed here instead. • Identifiers: Holds any number of discarded Heroes • Verse: Matthew 27:7

If Chariots of Fire is able to target discarded heroes, why can't Emperor Augustus? The heroes meet his criteria of being in set aside and the fortress is not protecting them from effect.

I never realized this WHY!?

You sir are a genious. 

It's a good way to not lose Paul since the "instead" means that the hero was never discarded, therefore does not reset.

Hubba hubba.

Lol, Too late Not that I would actually do anything with this.... Or would I

But we may be the lunatics that they're looking for

Yes, I see no reason that it wouldn't (what standard are we going by now? I keep forgetting.) Regardless I think it satisfies all of the conditions we've used over the years.

(Would Augustus' ability work when converted?)

The current standard for determining whether convert works or not is whether or not it harms a hero. Is forcibly returning a hero from set aside considered "harm?" I could be persuaded either way.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 02, 2010, 11:41:15 PM

(Would Augustus' ability work when converted?)

The current standard for determining whether convert works or not is whether or not it harms a hero. Is forcibly returning a hero from set aside considered "harm?" I could be persuaded either way.

This is a circular argument.

The current definition of harm says that only cards not of the same alignment can cause harm.  By that standard, no Hero can ever harm another Hero so all abilities convert.

That's nice, Gabe. Since you obviously feel I've given the wrong criterion for determining whether an EC's SA converts, would you care to tell us what the correct criterion is?

You've given the correct critera using the current standard.  All I'm saying is that the current standard doesn't work as we've defined it.

The new REG currently says this:

A converted card always maintains its special ability and if the special ability is consistent with the nature of the type of card the converted card has become it can activate normally, but if that special ability goes against the nature of what the converted card has become it does not activate even if a game action is performed that would normally cause the ability to activate.

That seems like a step backward to the "good ol' days" when everything was open for debate about what constitutes the "nature" of a Hero.

That would be straight forward and logical, We can't do that here are you CRAZY!!

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on March 03, 2010, 08:50:38 AM

That's nice, Gabe. Since you obviously feel I've given the wrong criterion for determining whether an EC's SA converts, would you care to tell us what the correct criterion is?

You've given the correct critera using the current standard.  All I'm saying is that the current standard doesn't work as we've defined it.

OK. I thought you were saying that it had changed yet again, and I missed it.

A converted card always maintains its special ability and if the special ability is consistent with the nature of the type of card the converted card has become it can activate normally, but if that special ability goes against the nature of what the converted card has become it does not activate even if a game action is performed that would normally cause the ability to activate.

Yuck. Just yuck.

Is there anything I'm forgetting? A very simple list of specific TYPES of abilities that do not work would fix this nicely.

Any SA that directly mentions the original card alignment (e.g., banding to an evil character).

Any SA that indirectly mentions the original card alignment (e.g., "when blocking").

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 03, 2010, 09:32:26 AM

The new REG just made me smile. SA ON CONVERTED(to ec) HEROES WHOO!

That quote isn't the entire section on conversion in the new REG.

I figured but the wording of "character" gives me hope.