Author Topic: Emperor Augustus (Read 10042 times)

SirNobody · « **Reply #25 on:** March 03, 2010, 11:55:48 AM »

Hey,

The Convert entry of the new REG is one of the entries that still needs the most work. It has several statements that are "filler" elements until I get a chance to discuss them with Bryon and Mike; the part Gabe quoted is one such filler element.

In a perfect world (in my opinion) there would be an "identifier" on each character saying whether or not it worked when converted or not. That would allow us to use the "nature of a hero" idea without having any gray areas. Realistically, that's a time consuming project and I'm not sure it will ever happen.

I have seen Emperor Augustus converted several times, and we've always allowed his ability to work when he's a hero.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

STAMP · « **Reply #26 on:** March 03, 2010, 12:35:40 PM »

Sorry to rain on your parade...

Quote from: Gohanick on March 02, 2010, 08:15:59 PM

Potter's Field
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set this site aside. Holder's Heroes to be discarded are instead placed in this Site. Treat them as discarded Heroes. • Play As: Set this fortress aside. Holder's Heroes to be discarded are placed here instead. • Identifiers: Holds any number of discarded Heroes • Verse: Matthew 27:7

If captured heroes <> heroes Then discarded heroes <> heroes

...unless, of course, I am overruled by this mythical new REG.

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #27 on:** March 03, 2010, 12:55:16 PM »

If It won't work for potter's field, would it work for Raider's camp although be kinda half-backwards?

STAMP · « **Reply #28 on:** March 03, 2010, 12:58:00 PM »

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 03, 2010, 12:55:16 PM

If It won't work for potter's field, would it work for Raider's camp although be kinda half-backwards?

No, for two reasons: RC is not in set-aside and the characters inside are captured heroes.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #29 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:00:12 PM »

But Augustus doesn't say Heroes. He says humans. Since discarded characters don't lose their identifiers, I'd say it would still work. I am not sure if this combo will become too popular, as it depends too much on Augustus, and most of the benefits can be achieved using Chariot + Lampstand, but I would definitely say that it is legal.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:01:30 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on March 03, 2010, 12:58:00 PM

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on March 03, 2010, 12:55:16 PM
If It won't work for potter's field, would it work for Raider's camp although be kinda half-backwards?

No, for two reasons: RC is not in set-aside and the characters inside are captured heroes.

Here is the catch though:
All N.T. humans in set aside areas must return to owner's territories

Humans.... not Heroes. So I dont think it matters what "State" the hero is in, all you need to check for is that it is a human.

Instapoted by Prof

STAMP · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:07:53 PM »

Doesn't matter. When targeting a character:

captured humans <> humans

discarded humans <> humans

captured Babylonians <> Babylonians

captured/discarded character of any qualification <> character of any qualification

Professoralstad · « **Reply #32 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:16:59 PM »

Rescued demons <> Redeemed Soul?

Haha, just kidding. But now that you put it that way, I agree with you based on previous rulings. So Potter's Field will go back to being useless. Sad day.

Korunks · « **Reply #33 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:18:37 PM »

This seems to be Inconsistent because:

Human <> Human Hero

Human <> Human EC

yet we can target both with captures that say a human. Why does it work one way and not the other?

STAMP · « **Reply #34 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:19:59 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 03, 2010, 01:16:59 PM

Rescued demons <> Redeemed Soul?

Haha, just kidding. But now that you put it that way, I agree with you based on previous rulings. So Potter's Field will go back to being useless. Sad day.

You made my day!

Professoralstad · « **Reply #35 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:23:53 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on March 03, 2010, 01:18:37 PM

This seems to be Inconsistent because:

Human <> Human Hero

Human <> Human EC

yet we can target both with captures that say a human. Why does it work one way and not the other?

Slightly incorrect. Human Hero ∈ Humans; Human EC ∈ Humans.

Tracer Burnout · « **Reply #36 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:28:54 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on March 03, 2010, 01:18:37 PM

<>

What does this symbol mean?

And this one?

∈

Professoralstad · « **Reply #37 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:34:47 PM »

A <> B means A is greater than or less than B, so A is not equal to B. It's basically the lazy man's way of saying this: A ≠ B.

A ∈ B means that A is an element of the set B. So I was saying that a Human hero is a human, and a Human EC is a human.

STAMP · « **Reply #38 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:39:23 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 03, 2010, 01:34:47 PM

A <> B means A is greater than or less than B, so A is not equal to B. It's basically the lazy man's way of saying this: A ≠ B.

A ∈ B means that A is an element of the set B. So I was saying that a Human hero is a human, and a Human EC is a human.

Correction: lazy programmer's way (of course, depending on the language you use.

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Korunks · « **Reply #39 on:** March 03, 2010, 01:57:24 PM »

Well why aren't:

Discarded NT Humans ∈ Humans?

*by the way where did you get that symbol from? It may make my questions clearer

Crashfach2002 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:00:29 PM »

Because they are dead now, and when you can bring them back to life they are either like the Frankinstein monster or Zombies (Like Eric Largent)!

Professoralstad · « **Reply #41 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:02:23 PM »

Try Here about half way down. Or you could copy it from this thread.

And here's where it gets confusing: Discarded NT humans are humans, but they can't be targeted as humans. So if a card said: "If you have an NT human in set-aside area, do X" you could do X by a hero in PF. But you can't target them with a card that says human unless the targeter says discarded human/human in discard pile.

I didn't make the rule, I just report on it.

Korunks · « **Reply #42 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:14:06 PM »

This seems like an odd ruling, why was this done?

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #43 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:14:33 PM »

Chaos, pure unadulterated chaos.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #44 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:17:10 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on March 03, 2010, 02:14:33 PM

Chaos, pure unadulterated chaos.

Truth.

To be honest, I have no idea why it is. But that's how Arioch was ruled, so I assume that the same principle could be applied here.

SirNobody · « **Reply #45 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:23:46 PM »

Hey,

Quote from: STAMP on March 03, 2010, 12:35:40 PM

If captured heroes <> heroes Then discarded heroes <> heroes

...unless, of course, I am overruled by this mythical new REG.

I don't have a new REG quote on this topic

To the best of my knowledge discarded heroes are treated like normal heroes because they are normal heroes, they've just been discarded. I have always assumed that "Treat them as discarded heroes" on potter's field is just an instance of the really poor wording we used on a lot of old cards. The REG seems to support this assumption since that sentence is removed from the play as of Potter's Field (although the identifier "holds any number of discarded heroes" was added).

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #46 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:25:10 PM »

So...can has combo?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #47 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:26:27 PM »

I don't know. If we let Tim make that decision, you might quit the game...

Korunks · « **Reply #48 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:28:16 PM »

I am in favor of the combo for what its worth, although I know I scrape the bottom of the list when it comes to opinions that actually count

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #49 on:** March 03, 2010, 02:31:16 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on March 03, 2010, 02:26:27 PM

I don't know. If we let Tim make that decision, you might quit the game...

My problem is where he comes down when a ruling can go either way based on the rules, not making sure everyone understands the very obvious one.

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