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No. "Harm" means any evil card or a neutral card controlled by an opponent. Noah's Ark is neither of those things.
Quote from: jmhartz on June 16, 2017, 11:01:54 AMNo. "Harm" means any evil card or a neutral card controlled by an opponent. Noah's Ark is neither of those things.His question was if Ham is harmed and he chooses to place it in Noah's Ark does he still get to search off Ham as well. I believe the answer is that since they are both "may" you can do either trigger first and as long as you trigger Ham before you trigger Ark you will get to search since even though the instead from Ark makes the harm never happen I don't think there is any cascade-like behavior attached to instead that would make you put the card back you got from Ham.
His question was if Ham is harmed and he chooses to place it in Noah's Ark does he still get to search off Ham as well. I believe the answer is that since they are both "may" you can do either trigger first and as long as you trigger Ham before you trigger Ark you will get to search since even though the instead from Ark makes the harm never happen I don't think there is any cascade-like behavior attached to instead that would make you put the card back you got from Ham.
Quote from: Kevinthedude on June 16, 2017, 11:20:06 AMHis question was if Ham is harmed and he chooses to place it in Noah's Ark does he still get to search off Ham as well. I believe the answer is that since they are both "may" you can do either trigger first and as long as you trigger Ham before you trigger Ark you will get to search since even though the instead from Ark makes the harm never happen I don't think there is any cascade-like behavior attached to instead that would make you put the card back you got from Ham.That's not how Instead abilities work though. They make it so that the original ability never happened. If Ham is targeted by a card meeting the definition of "Harm", then either you save him with Ark and thus he was never harmed, or you don't save him and you get to search.
If an opponent's action gives you the opportunity to trigger "may" abilities on two different cards do you get to choose which trigger you activate first?
Quote from: jmhartz on June 16, 2017, 12:58:00 PMQuote from: Kevinthedude on June 16, 2017, 11:20:06 AMHis question was if Ham is harmed and he chooses to place it in Noah's Ark does he still get to search off Ham as well. I believe the answer is that since they are both "may" you can do either trigger first and as long as you trigger Ham before you trigger Ark you will get to search since even though the instead from Ark makes the harm never happen I don't think there is any cascade-like behavior attached to instead that would make you put the card back you got from Ham.That's not how Instead abilities work though. They make it so that the original ability never happened. If Ham is targeted by a card meeting the definition of "Harm", then either you save him with Ark and thus he was never harmed, or you don't save him and you get to search.If an opponent's action gives you the opportunity to trigger "may" abilities on two different cards do you get to choose which trigger you activate first?
Quote from: Kevinthedude on June 16, 2017, 12:59:11 PMQuote from: jmhartz on June 16, 2017, 12:58:00 PMQuote from: Kevinthedude on June 16, 2017, 11:20:06 AMHis question was if Ham is harmed and he chooses to place it in Noah's Ark does he still get to search off Ham as well. I believe the answer is that since they are both "may" you can do either trigger first and as long as you trigger Ham before you trigger Ark you will get to search since even though the instead from Ark makes the harm never happen I don't think there is any cascade-like behavior attached to instead that would make you put the card back you got from Ham.That's not how Instead abilities work though. They make it so that the original ability never happened. If Ham is targeted by a card meeting the definition of "Harm", then either you save him with Ark and thus he was never harmed, or you don't save him and you get to search.If an opponent's action gives you the opportunity to trigger "may" abilities on two different cards do you get to choose which trigger you activate first?REGThe instead modifier indicates a triggered ability which replaces an activated effect or event. It does not undo the effect, as with a prevent or negate, but instead replaces the outcome such that the original ability never took place, and the new action or ability triggers instead. So in that case he never was harmed so the trigger on ham should have to be undone if you completed it by searching out an evil character right?
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