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Offline JDS

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ELEPHANTS!
« on: August 09, 2009, 01:01:50 PM »
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If Mayhem ("Each player must shuffle hand into deck to draw six.") is the only card in my hand when I play it, do I still get to draw six based on the "as much as possible" ruling?
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 01:18:38 PM »
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I believe so, yes.
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 01:21:27 PM »
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answer: yes
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 05:56:13 PM »
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When you shuffle your 0 cards in hand back into deck, you fulfill the ability.
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 07:18:19 PM »
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Actually, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you can't draw, considering how Jephthah works. You can't shuffle 0 cards into your deck much like you can't discard nothing off the top your deck when you're decked out. If you can't pay the cost, you can't reap the benefits.
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2009, 07:28:27 PM »
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I disagree. Mayhem doesn't say "Shuffle 5 cards into your deck to draw 5 new ones" or anything like that. It just says to shuffle your 'hand.' If your hand is at 0 cards, then by shuffling 0 cards into your deck you meet the requirement.
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 07:40:21 PM »
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I believe that if you have 0 cards in your hand, you have no hand.
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 08:07:05 PM »
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Quote from: LukeSnyder on August 09, 2009, 07:40:21 PM
I believe that if you have 0 cards in your hand, you have no hand.

Guys, this was decided when they gave the sinning hand rule.  You can discard half yoru hand if it is 0  0 cards is half of 0 and you can fulfill the requirement to negate sinning hand.  SO if you can have a hand of 0 cards and d/c 0 of them to negate sinning hand, then you can shirly shuffle a 0 card hand into your deck to draw 6 cards with Mayhem...and this is exactly what I intend to do...
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 08:10:41 PM »
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Quote from: crustpope on August 09, 2009, 08:07:05 PM
Quote from: LukeSnyder on August 09, 2009, 07:40:21 PM
I believe that if you have 0 cards in your hand, you have no hand.

Guys, this was decided when they gave the sinning hand rule.  You can discard half yoru hand if it is 0  0 cards is half of 0 and you can fulfill the requirement to negate sinning hand.  SO if you can have a hand of 0 cards and d/c 0 of them to negate sinning hand, then you can shirly shuffle a 0 card hand into your deck to draw 6 cards with Mayhem...and this is exactly what I intend to do...

Really? I've never heard about that. Do you have a link or something?
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 08:14:39 PM »
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You can have a deck of zero cards.  However, your deck no longer has a top card, so Jephthah doesn't work.  Get the difference?
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 08:15:32 PM »
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Quote from: Bryon on August 09, 2009, 08:14:39 PM
You can have a deck of zero cards.  However, your deck no longer has a top card, so Jephthah doesn't work.  Get the difference?

Gotcha, I completely understand now. Thank you for the concise clarification.
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 08:24:29 PM »
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Yeah, Here is the thread.
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2009, 08:41:42 PM »
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Quote from: crustpope on August 09, 2009, 08:24:29 PM
Yeah, Here is the thread.


Thank you, that was a good read. I missed that thread during my hiatus from redemption over the past year while I was in Florida.
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Re: ELEPHANTS!
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2009, 11:23:34 AM »
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Yeah; i don't c y not. 
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