Author Topic: ehud question (Read 9353 times)

sepjazzwarrior · « **on:** August 08, 2009, 10:06:23 AM »

do chose the blocker abilities, like ehud and jail, count as adding a character to battle?

Gabe · « **Reply #1 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:11:15 AM »

For what purpose?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2009, 02:45:29 PM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on August 08, 2009, 10:06:23 AM

do chose the blocker abilities, like ehud and jail, count as adding a character to battle?

No. "Choose the Blocker" removes someone from battle and replaces them with someone else. That is more like an "exchange" than an "add to battle."

sk · « **Reply #3 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:01:29 PM »

But the other thread says an exchange has to be 1:1. Ehud puts an EC where no EC previously was. Seems like it could be a variant of "add to battle".

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #4 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:03:03 PM »

Post-block CTB (and CTR) would be exchange, I think. I don't know what pre-block CTB would be other than "add to battle".

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #5 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:04:46 PM »

Even though you choose the blocker, the opponent still brings them into battle. So the holder of Ehud did not "add to battle."

FresnoRedemption · « **Reply #6 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:07:09 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 08, 2009, 02:45:29 PM

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on August 08, 2009, 10:06:23 AM
do chose the blocker abilities, like ehud and jail, count as adding a character to battle?

No. "Choose the Blocker" removes someone from battle and replaces them with someone else. That is more like an "exchange" than an "add to battle."

sk · « **Reply #7 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:08:47 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 08, 2009, 03:04:46 PM

Even though you choose the blocker, the opponent still brings them into battle. So the holder of Ehud did not "add to battle."

UN is still 'add to battle' if an opponent in a multiplayer game adds their character to battle, right? I don't think it matters who adds them to battle, just that a character was.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:13:36 PM »

Wait, in a multiplayer game, if Player A makes a RA against Player B, then Player C cannot bring in an EC with UN since UN does not say "an opponent's."

sk · « **Reply #9 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:19:16 PM »

Eh, good call. Something seemed too convenient in that example.

However, I still don't think it matters who adds them to battle, just that a character was.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #10 on:** August 08, 2009, 03:22:03 PM »

Gabe had the right response in the first place. We need to know the situation before we can answer accurately.

frisian9 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:01:28 PM »

"Choose the blocker" is not considered adding a character into battle. Althought not stated in specific terms, "adding a character" in game terms is associated with adding more characters to your side of the battle, and "choose the blocker" is putting or replacing a character on the other side.

Mike

sk · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:10:12 PM »

So Siege adds evil characters to battle, but doesn't add heroes to battle?

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:23:10 PM »

One instance where CTB is "classified" as "add to battle" is in the order of abilities.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:18:21 PM »

the reason i ask is because i was wondering if you placed and enhancement on ehud if it would activate before or after he chose the character that would block.

frisian9 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:06:59 PM »

I believe the following order is followed in the battle phase:

1) Hero leaves hand or territory
2) Hero enters Field of Battle
3) Activate special ability on Hero
4) Activate gained abilities
5) Activate weapon-class abilities
6) Activate banding abilities
7) Activate choose the blocker abilities

Activate special abilities triggered by the beginning of battle
9) Declaration of intent (i.e., battle challenge or rescue attempt)

Cards placed on Ehud would fall under 3). As you can see, choose the blocker comes later under 7).

Mike

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #16 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:24:41 PM »

but a enhancement played on a hero isnt part of the heros special ability is it? the SA on the enhancement is different from the SA of the hero or are they treated as one big special ability, and if so then that part of the REG sould say something like "activate special on good cards in battle"

frisian9 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:32:28 PM »

A "placed" card is part of the 5) category. Weapon-class cards are placed cards of a particular type. You are correct - I missed a step.

Mike

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #18 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:34:40 PM »

Quote from: sepjazzwarrior on August 08, 2009, 10:24:41 PM

but a enhancement played on a hero isnt part of the heros special ability is it? the SA on the enhancement is different from the SA of the hero or are they treated as one big special ability, and if so then that part of the REG sould say something like "activate special on good cards in battle"

I think you would agree that a placed card fits somewhere around gained abilities and weapon-class abilities in general, right? No matter how you look at it, CTB would come later.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #19 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:38:33 PM »

thats what i thought, i just was looking at the REG and it didnt specify where placed enhancements fit in, so while its being updated, maybe add that placed enhancements activate the same time as weapon-class enhancements to clarify further

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:38:48 PM »

Quote from: frisian9 on August 08, 2009, 10:06:59 PM

3) Activate special ability on Hero
9) Declaration of intent (i.e., battle challenge or rescue attempt)

There goes Ahimazz + CoF/IaP.

Are you absolutely sure on these, especially the last one?

frisian9 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:41:50 PM »

Can you explain what you mean?

Mike

redemption99 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:56:42 PM »

if you withdraw before it's a BC/RA then COF/IAP can't activate

Gabe · « **Reply #23 on:** August 08, 2009, 10:58:14 PM »

I'm not exactly sure how this ties in but I think these 2 things are relevant:

1 - Rob ruled that Seeker of the Lost and Hur will not be able to generate the LS that they rescue in T2 (rescuer's choice). I thought that the reasoning was that you declared the LS before Hero abilities activate. I could be wrong on the reasoning but from your list it looks to me like Hur/Seeker should work.

2 - An Enhancement placed by someone like Agur or Elishana the Priest is an ability that triggers when the Hero enters battle, similar to the way Hidden Treasures triggers, isn't it? Wouldn't that put those under #8? Is there a difference between "hero enters battle" and "hero beggins a battle" that I'm missing?

Agur
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 8 / 9 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may place an O.T. Enhancement from hand (or discard pile if Book of the Law is active) on a human Hero of matching brigade in your territory. The next time that Hero enters battle, that Enhancement activates and is discarded immediately.

Hidden Treasures
Type: Artifact • Brigade: • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Once per turn, if your lone green brigade prophet begins a battle, you may play an Enhancement or discard an evil Enhancement in an opponent's deck.

sepjazzwarrior · « **Reply #24 on:** August 08, 2009, 11:01:47 PM »

so would that mean ehuds ability would activate before the placed enhancement? becasue his SA would be a 3 and the enhancement would be an 8

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