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Gates of Hell
« on: January 28, 2016, 06:35:05 PM »
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If i discard GoH to add my demon to battle, can it come from hand?

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Re: Gates of Hell
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 07:19:36 PM »
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Abilities target cards in play by default. Banding abilities can target a card in your hand but GoH uses "add to battle".
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Re: Gates of Hell
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 11:42:55 PM »
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Wasn't "add to battle" deemed to be a banding ability when the card being added to battle was a character? Or was that an old ruling that was obsoleted by the new REG?
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Re: Gates of Hell
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2016, 12:26:54 PM »
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I raised this same question a few years ago in this thread, with two Elders commenting with differing opinions.  It looks like it didn't get pursued further.

I've always seen it played that you can add your demon to battle from hand with GoH, but I don't think you should be able to, based on abilities defaulting to "In play".
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Re: Gates of Hell
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2016, 01:13:39 PM »
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It's odd that "add to battle" and "band" function so similarly yet have different rules, that's part of why there was a huge discussion about it. They mean the same thing but for some reason band has an exception to the default to play rule. I'm thinking that the way band was defined came before the "default to play crusade". Because band was established (in womens) before default to play rules were ironed out, and band was played as "add a character to battle from territory or hand", it kept its real flavor. I really think add to battle got robbed here, but its such a minority of cards (Gates of heal not included) that attempt to function like a band that its not a huge deal. I haven't been playing long enough to really know. I am really curious as to whether or not Den of Robbers and Sound the Alarm were allowed to bring a character into battle from hand. What it seems like is that Claudia's band ability in womens was created in attempts to be more succinct. So really, it would have been realistic to treat add the battle and band exactly the same in relation to characters, like ignore and repel; however, Gates of Hell (I'm guessing) was made after the default to play rule for special abilities was hard and fast and band and add to battle were elected to be universally distinct. So the wording on Gates of Hell most likely holds with the intention of the card as ruled in this thread and consistently in the past. I have never actually played a game were someone tried to add a demon from hand with Gates of Hell but I understand the confusion.

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Re: Gates of Hell
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2016, 01:17:18 PM »
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Quote from: REG > Band > Clarifications
Any ability that adds a character to a side of the battle where at least one other character is present is a b and ability. Exceptions: Copy and Convert a bilities that allow a non-character card to become a character are not b and abilities.

If you add a character to a side of the battle that already has one or more characters it is considered a band. If there is no character on that side of the battle it is not a band.

That indicates to me that if you're adding a character when there's already one or more then you can add from hand. Otherwise you can't add from hand. Seems a little messy to me but that's how I read it.
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Re: Gates of Hell
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2016, 01:25:10 PM »
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yeah at nats i assumed i could add my demon from hand but then it was ruled that it has to be already in play

 


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