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Yes, your plan with WatW works.  Yes, you can capture Moses.

Yes, the restrictions on duplicates in play. Restrictions being that if you have them, you have to Discard one.

So if I have TAS sitting in my LoB, I can't use UN to get my own TAS out to block with?

Why do captured chacters count again?

So if I have TAS sitting in my LoB, I can't use UN to get my own TAS out to block with?

Yes, you can.  It's the special ability of UN which is putting TaS in play.  As soon as he enter's play you must choose one to discard, usually the LS.  However, it would not be legal for you to play your own TaS from your hand to create a duplicate.

I don't know how it is supposed to work, but this is how I think it SHOULD work:

You are not allowed to create a situation where you control 2 of the same unique cards when you have a choice.  This would prohibit banding to an opponent's card when you have the same card in your territory.  It would also prohibit using UN to get another copy of a unique EC that you have in play already.

However, you are allowed to force a situation where your opponent has control of 2 of the same unique cards when you have a choice.  At that point they would have to discard 1 copy.  So you could send your TAS over to their LoB while they have TAS in their territory, but then they would get to discard 1 (probably yours acting like a LS, making this play unwise).  You could also create a side battle where they would have to defend with your EC who is the same as their EC in their territory (forcing them to choose between losing the battle by killing the defender, or killing their EC in territory and trying to win the battle).

In addition, situations that do not allow a choice could cause a situation where duplicates are in play.  This would be another time when 1 would have to be discarded.

You may have more than one Moses in your deck or hand, but you are allowed only one Moses in your territory, set-aside area or the Field of Battle. Something could happen in the game that would cause you to have two cards named Moses in your territory or Field of Battle. If it does, you must select and discard one of these cards. Also, you cannot band in a character with the name of the same person as a character already in the Field of Battle.

Unfortunately the REG doesn't define what "something" is so we're left to guess what type of actions this can be.  We know that banding doesn't work because it's noted as an exception.  Since "search, reveal, exchange" and "capture" are not noted as exceptions I don't see why they would not work.

Captured characters retain their identity, therefore must conform to the restrictions of duplicates in play.  Should a character by the same name be already in a player’s territory or set aside area, the holder of the duplicates determines which duplicate to discard.

This backs up the idea that I can capture your Moses if I already control my own Moses.

I'm with Gabe. Maybe its cuz I play capture heavy in T2, but if midwives can pull out three hurs only to discard two. My capture should hit moses, even though I already have one AND I should be able to band to an opp's hero to d/c it.

Quote from: REG > Example – Same Character

You may have more than one Moses in your deck or hand, but you are allowed only one Moses in your territory, set-aside area or the Field of Battle. Something could happen in the game that would cause you to have two cards named Moses in your territory or Field of Battle. If it does, you must select and discard one of these cards. Also, you cannot band in a character with the name of the same person as a character already in the Field of Battle.

Unfortunately the REG doesn't define what "something" is so we're left to guess what type of actions this can be.  We know that banding doesn't work because it's noted as an exception.  Since "search, reveal, exchange" and "capture" are not noted as exceptions I don't see why they would not work.

Quote from: REG > Instant Abilities > Capture > How to Use

Captured characters retain their identity, therefore must conform to the restrictions of duplicates in play.  Should a character by the same name be already in a player’s territory or set aside area, the holder of the duplicates determines which duplicate to discard.

This backs up the idea that I can capture your Moses if I already control my own Moses.

The banding exception specifies that you can't bring a duplicate character into a battle where another copy of that character is, it doesn't say you can't band to a character you have in your territory (like Jacob banding to your opponent's captain). If you can use Unknown Nation to search for a guy you have in your territory, I'm not sure what the difference would be in bringing a character into battle via banding.

Not always. Some game rules are there that can't be circumvented by SA's. There's a game rule that says that you can't add Characters to your opponent's side of the battle without a CtB/CtR card, which is why Gates of Hell can't be used to give your opponent a demon to give you initiative, and you can't give your opponent an OT Hero when blocking with HP Annas when The Silver Trumpets is active. Most recently, the hand limit rule is specifically there to not be overridden by an SA.

When and where did Bryon say anything on this topic?  Maybe I missed something?  I'm interested in his thoughts but I don't see what you're referring to.

I'd like to point out that this isn't the first time we've found out that they play things differently in Minnesota. 

Although this topic mostly applies to T2 and I mostly learned T2 from the studs in Minnesota so I'm not sure how that fits in...

*facepalm* got you and Bryon mixed up in my head.