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1. If Hero Matthew drew 2 cards (lets say the 2 drawn cards where dominant card DON and a random purple enhancement ) , then during battle player plays DON and the purple enhancement. After that the blocker negates the SA on Matthew.

 Does the dominant card and purple enhancement card get shuffled or placed back on top of deck?

Actually, I believe you cannot "un-play" a card. So if you play the card it is played and would not return to your draw pile, unless it's a Lost Soul in which case it would go back on top.

Quote from: KoalaKingoFA on March 13, 2014, 07:16:02 PM

Actually, I believe you cannot "un-play" a card. So if you play the card it is played and would not return to your draw pile, unless it's a Lost Soul in which case it would go back on top.

but you can undraw cards correct? He draws then I play something to Negate that he puts them back correct?

Correct. They go back in the same order he drew them.

No, the only cards that go back are the ones that you drew and did not play.

Actually, I believe you cannot "un-play" a card. So if you play the card it is played and would not return to your draw pile, unless it's a Lost Soul in which case it would go back on top.

All, I disagree A LOT with the ruling, but we need to clear this up:

By the current rules, you CAN unplay a card if it was played without the use of a play ability, if you negate the draw on which it was originally obtained.  If it is not CBN (or CBI?  fairly certain) it is cascade-negated and returned to deck.

Sorry.  I hate that rule a lot.  I've argued it before.  It won't be changed, in all likelihood.

Transfiguration falls under the CBN category. 

Transfiguration falls under the CBN category. 

Oh, yeah. That too.

All, I disagree A LOT with the ruling, but we need to clear this up:

By the current rules, you CAN unplay a card if it was played without the use of a play ability, if you negate the draw on which it was originally obtained.  If it is not CBN (or CBI?  fairly certain) it is cascade-negated and returned to deck.

Sorry.  I hate that rule a lot.  I've argued it before.  It won't be changed, in all likelihood.

It's even worse than this.  If a non-CBI/CBN card is played off of a play ability, it still goes back IF it was drawn with a draw ability, and the draw ability is negated. 

There was a thread some time ago (I'll go looking for it after I post this) where someone blocked with a PG character with 2KH equipped, drew SitC, played it, and then the opponent played Baptism of Jesus to negate 2KH.  It was ruled that SitC goes back on top, which makes no sense if play abilities are truly CBI.  CBI means CBI, whether from direct OR indirect negation.

EDIT:  Found it.  http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/indirect-negation-25787/msg405955/#msg405955

Why should returning a played card to the top of a deck be considered negating the play ability?

The logic behind the ruling is that, since the card was never drawn, it was never played.  Ergo, the cascade negates it.

There is Elder dissent on this but you have seen the other side linked above.

Personally, I find that it is a horrible rule to be able to unplay cards.  Luckily, I don't see anything in the current rules that says so (at least not in the new rulebook or REG).

So, can we get some Elder clarification about what's going on with Play (the ability), play (of a card normally), and what rules represent the current status quo?

I actually misread your post, and thought you were meaning how could it negate the played card but that's another issue.

I still want to see what the rules currently say and what the status quo actually is based on our CURRENT (and not 3 years ago) rules set.