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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2009, 06:32:13 PM »
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Quote from: SirNobody on August 16, 2009, 03:25:03 AM
Does Dragon Raid specifically target "face down" cards?  No.  So can Dragon Raid target a "face down" card?  No.

Seems pretty simple to me.

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So ANB does not shuffle cards face down in the Artifact Pile, correct?
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2009, 06:37:30 PM »
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ANB should be banned...it just causes so much trouble.  :P Though I think this one is easy!

A New Beginning:
"ALL players shuffle ALL cards in the field of play, set-aside areas and their hands back into their draw pile. Only cards in Land of Redemption and discard piles remain. ALL players Draw 8 new cards. Holder may begin a new turn"

Only cards in LoR and discard piles remain...are face down artifacts either one of those? No, so they get shuffled.
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2009, 06:43:29 PM »
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Maybe they were just not mentioned since SAs that do not specifically target face-down cards have no effect on face-down cards.

Seems pretty simple to me.  ;)
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2009, 06:47:14 PM »
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I see what your point is but I think they are two completely different situations...I don't think you can compare ANB to any other situation because it is a card like none other with an ability completely unique to itself.
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2009, 06:48:24 PM »
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Dragon Raid and ANB both say "all" cards. I don't see a difference.  ;)
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2009, 06:52:29 PM »
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I am just saying I don't think there can be a comparison made between ANB and any other card. That is how I view that card.
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2009, 06:53:42 PM »
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I don't know. In a FBTN deck, ANB looks like any other green enhancement to me.  ;D
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2009, 06:59:10 PM »
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haha ok you got me there  :laugh:
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2009, 07:29:56 PM »
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Quote from: YourMathTeacher on August 16, 2009, 06:48:24 PM
Dragon Raid and ANB both say "all" cards. I don't see a difference.  ;)

I think you are right. "All cards" on Dragon Raid would include face up cards, face down cards, enhancements, EC's, fortresses...anything evil on that site is discarded. So you are right methinks!
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2009, 07:57:21 PM »
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So which is it? O_o; Can an "All" ability beat out an out of play rule?
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2009, 08:08:40 PM »
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I know ANB shuffles face down stuff because it just says "all cards," and a face down card is still a card. However, can a face down card have a good or evil attached to it?
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #36 on: August 18, 2009, 08:33:26 PM »
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If a Face-down card can start a Rescue attempt (which is something only heroes can do) via Ambush, then I think they do keep alignments.
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2009, 10:42:48 AM »
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Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on August 18, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
So which is it? O_o; Can an "All" ability beat out an out of play rule?

The whole point of giving cards special abilities is to suspend a normal rule of the game. If a particular card says "all" evil cards, I see no problem with allowing it to discard face-down evil cards, as well.
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2009, 01:48:13 PM »
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Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on August 18, 2009, 08:08:40 PM
I know ANB shuffles face down stuff because it just says "all cards," and a face down card is still a card.

To be fair, ANB says "ALL cards."  Perhaps the all-caps bypasses the game rule?  :)
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2009, 02:01:46 PM »
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Mabye they were right when STAMP went and talked in ALL CAPS to make rulings official.

I still think ANB should get a play as that specifies "all cards in play, players hands, set aside areas, and face down..."
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2009, 03:25:20 PM »
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Hey,

Authority of Christ doesn't discard a face down evil character in The Darkness even though it says "all."  Dragon Raid doesn't discard a face down evil character on a site even though it says "all."

The "Only cards in Land of Redemption and Discard Pile remain" clause on A New Beginning is the excuse we're going to use for why A New Beginning gets face down cards when other cards don't.

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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2009, 03:27:54 PM »
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AoC/P says "in play" though.
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Re: dragon raid vs face down ec
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »
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Quote from: SirNobody on August 19, 2009, 03:25:20 PM
The "Only cards in Land of Redemption and Discard Pile remain" clause on A New Beginning is the excuse we're going to use for why A New Beginning gets face down cards when other cards don't.

So if that one clause is the reason, and it creates exceptions to game rules, then even "protected" cards should be shuffled, right?
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