Author Topic: Double Training in Righteousness? (Read 2116 times)

Sean · « **on:** February 14, 2019, 06:56:31 PM »

Would you be able to add 4 brigades if you used two copies of Training in Righteousness on the same hero at the same time?

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2019, 05:45:01 AM »

Quote from: Sean on February 14, 2019, 06:56:31 PM

Would you be able to add 4 brigades if you used two copies of Training in Righteousness on the same hero at the same time?

Yes and no.

Yes for "if you used two copies of training in Righteousness on the same hero." Because Training in Righteousness is a "gains" ability, the effect of multiple TiR would be cumulative. So if you played two copies of TiR on a character that started with a single brigade you would end up with up to five brigades.

No for "at the same time." You cannot play multiple simultaneous set asides on a single character. It has been ruled that the first set aside played moves the character to set aside where he/she cannot be targeted by the second set aside.

Josh · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2019, 08:04:22 AM »

If you need 2 TiR because you need a specific 3 brigades on a certain human hero, your best bet is probably to use Gold Shield first, then set them aside with TiR.

Gabe · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2019, 09:05:11 AM »

I love seeing MJB dropping knowledge. You’ve still got it!

Speaking of love, you can Love (EC) to convert to a new brigade too.

Sean · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2019, 10:58:51 AM »

Thanks, I wasn't looking for a specific hero just wondering if I could get a 5 brigade hero.

Josh · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2019, 11:44:44 AM »

Quote from: Sean on February 15, 2019, 10:58:51 AM

Thanks, I wasn't looking for a specific hero just wondering if I could get a 5 brigade hero.

You can get a 9 brigade hero by playing this site in territory, attacking with another hero, then immediately adding the site to battle and converting it to a hero.

The Guardian · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2019, 11:57:00 AM »

Or you know, just use this guy...complete without the drawback of actually having 9 good brigades in play.

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EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2019, 11:59:01 AM »

Quote from: Josh on February 15, 2019, 11:44:44 AM

Quote from: Sean on February 15, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
Thanks, I wasn't looking for a specific hero just wondering if I could get a 5 brigade hero.

You can get a 9 brigade hero by playing this site in territory, attacking with another hero, then immediately adding the site to battle and converting it to a hero.

Probably easier to just use anything at all to convert this dude

Sean · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2019, 12:41:54 PM »

Angel of Might...how did that get through play testing?!?!?! Justin hit the nail on the head as far as why I'm not looking for multi brigade heroes that already exist, one reason anyway. My biggest goal here was to be able to use any hero and create synergy with other brigades for Enhancement combos while still benefiting from the unique special ability. I had initially thought of this when looking at the combo which was posted to recur SoG using Disciples but have since been thinking about making a offence of dual/tri color judges or NT Gold/White for a heavy attack on the opponent's deck to search up lost souls and quarantine cards.

The Guardian · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2019, 01:11:23 PM »

I've only used him in Revelation Angel decks (both T1 and T2) that only had Silver enhancements, so I rarely have needed the "play other" ability, but I love his negate ability to stop ECs like Uzzah and Fire Foxes.

One time I did have my opponent band to my Angel of Might and use Authority of Christ promo against me...that was kind of brutal.

Also, he's an absolute BOSS in booster draft...there's very few cards in RoJ that I would draft before him.

Josh · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2019, 01:23:16 PM »

Quote from: Sean on February 15, 2019, 12:41:54 PM

Angel of Might...how did that get through play testing?!?!?!

Believe it or not, characters that allow for multi brigade enhancement use typically end up being, in practice, weaker characters. At least, compared with characters that can be autoblocks, draw cards, or otherwise provide immediate board impact.

I've made splash defenses with Deceiving Spirit, Users of Curious Arts, King Ahaz, etc. that can play a bunch of EEs of different brigades, but it's just not the same as dropping Vitellius to draw cards CBN or winning battles with KoT, Uzzah, etc.

You always have to have fuel in your hand and burn it to get value out of these characters - their ability can't be abused in and of itself.

Sean · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2019, 02:44:20 PM »

I don't know, all Enhancements and site access basically makes Angel of Might all brigades without the draw back of being all brigades. He can easily be added to any offense to add angel/male/NT for coverage. Could be played with Coliseum very easily too. From henceforth, I am referring to him as Jack.

Josh · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2019, 02:53:03 PM »

Quote from: Sean on February 15, 2019, 02:44:20 PM

I don't know, all Enhancements and site access basically makes Angel of Might all brigades without the draw back of being all brigades. He can easily be added to any offense to add angel/male/NT for coverage. Could be played with Coliseum very easily too. From henceforth, I am referring to him as Jack.

Stopping chump blocks and having site access, both CBN, makes Angel of Might much stronger than your typical "You can play enhancements of other brigades" characters.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2019, 03:47:02 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 15, 2019, 05:45:01 AM

Quote from: Sean on February 14, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
Would you be able to add 4 brigades if you used two copies of Training in Righteousness on the same hero at the same time?
Yes and no.

Yes for "if you used two copies of training in Righteousness on the same hero." Because Training in Righteousness is a "gains" ability, the effect of multiple TiR would be cumulative. So if you played two copies of TiR on a character that started with a single brigade you would end up with up to five brigades.

No for "at the same time." You cannot play multiple simultaneous set asides on a single character. It has been ruled that the first set aside played moves the character to set aside where he/she cannot be targeted by the second set aside.

Actually the answer is just no. Training in Righteousness can only be used on Single Brigade heroes, so you can't use one then another.

Master Q · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2019, 05:44:37 PM »

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on February 15, 2019, 03:47:02 PM

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 15, 2019, 05:45:01 AM
Quote from: Sean on February 14, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
Would you be able to add 4 brigades if you used two copies of Training in Righteousness on the same hero at the same time?
Yes and no.

Yes for "if you used two copies of training in Righteousness on the same hero." Because Training in Righteousness is a "gains" ability, the effect of multiple TiR would be cumulative. So if you played two copies of TiR on a character that started with a single brigade you would end up with up to five brigades.

No for "at the same time." You cannot play multiple simultaneous set asides on a single character. It has been ruled that the first set aside played moves the character to set aside where he/she cannot be targeted by the second set aside.

Actually the answer is just no. Training in Righteousness can only be used on Single Brigade heroes, so you can't use one then another.

This is why posting abilities is very helpful.

Sean · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2019, 06:58:28 PM »

I think EmJayBee was correct. The reality is that you can't do it because you can't play them at the same time and once the first one completes the hero is no longer a valid target.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2019, 07:12:18 PM »

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on February 15, 2019, 03:47:02 PM

Actually the answer is just no. Training in Righteousness can only be used on Single Brigade heroes, so you can't use one then another.

Sorry. I was going from my memory of what TiR said.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2019, 07:28:28 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on February 15, 2019, 07:12:18 PM

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on February 15, 2019, 03:47:02 PM
Actually the answer is just no. Training in Righteousness can only be used on Single Brigade heroes, so you can't use one then another.
Sorry. I was going from my memory of what TiR said.

Not everyone has a freakish memory for games like I do, especially for weird comboey cards like Training in Righteousness.

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