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Ok, I was talking to Matt S., and something came up in a game he played today at a tournament. Another player used DoN to negate lampstand so he could play Burial. The logic behind this was the ruling that resulted from the PoA vs Twelve Fingered Giant discussion, which was that you cannot protect from a negate.

So, I'm bringing this question up again. Using the ruling from before, can DoN legally negate, not discard, an artifact for one phase while Lampstand is active? Was this play, which decided the winner of the game, ruled correctly in the tournament?

Destruction: Discard one active Artifact in play.  Artifact's ability is negated.
Lampstand: Protect all cards not in battle from evil Dominants (grim-reaper icon cards).

You can't protect from a negate.  However a dominant (Lampstand) can't be interrupted, and therefore can't be negated to begin with.  So I think it was ruled incorrectly.

Lampstand isnt a dominant... its an artifact.

The problem is the way DoN is worded. It says to Discard, then Negate. The Negation is contingent upon the Discard, DoN is powerless to Discard Lampstand, so the Negation never triggers.

No it doesnt. It says Discard. Negate.

There is no "then" in the ability.

Where does it say the artifact MUST be discarded? Why doesnt it attempt to discard, get stopped by protection, then negate it?

Don't mean to Hijack the thread - But I also have a quick Lampstand question - How does Prep phase work? Can you deactivate Lampstands, then perform another action (Say Play FA) then Reactivate Lampstands? If Yes, why?

What is PoA?
How can I find the PoA vs 12FG debate?

Notice the first post on that says "Have we figured out how this is played yet? It was argued about a while ago, but I never got to the end of it."

That wasnt the original. It got deleted.

I agree with Pol's reasoning.

I think it is silly that DoN works while Lampstand is active.  If a card is protected then you have to negate the protection.  DoN can't do that to Lampstand.

12FG doesn't negate the protection afforded by PoA, that makes no sense.

How does "evil cards" get widdled down to mean just "harm"?

They said Protection = protect from harm, CBN = protect from negates.

Well there's the problem.  Protection has nothing to do with harm.  Cards say what they protect from.  PoA protects from evil cards.  Lampstand protects from evil Dominants.  Wall of Protection protects your characters from your opponent's cards.  If protect means protect from harm then Wall of Protection is the most glorified piece of eye candy in the history of Redemption since banding isn't considered harm.

Hey,

The problem is the way DoN is worded. It says to Discard, then Negate. The Negation is contingent upon the Discard, DoN is powerless to Discard Lampstand, so the Negation never triggers.

This is exactly correct.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly