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all dominants are considered being played during the battle.  If you actually lose the battle, then you have to give the player a LS.  If you want to Dominant block, you have to play SoG/NJ and then discard your EC.  Discarding your EC moves the game to the battle resolution phase and a LS must be handed over if won before any Doms can be played.

At leas that is the way I have been playing it.

Your opponant doesn't get the LS until you physically hand it to him.  If you decide to play a dominant instead of giving it to him, that's fine.  Battle Resolution isn't over until the LS is handed over or unavailable/unaccessable to the hero anymore.

Your opponant doesn't get the LS until you physically hand it to him.  If you decide to play a dominant instead of giving it to him, that's fine.  Battle Resolution isn't over until the LS is handed over or unavailable/unaccessable to the hero anymore.

That is incorrect.

If you end the battle by passing init back and forth (MD), then battle resolution immediately begins.  Dominants cannot be played during this time. 

If the battle is ended by an ability, battle resolution does not immediately begin (to allow for Unknown Nation etc).  You have "init" to play dominants before handing over a lost soul.  This is 90% of battles, but it is still important to note the difference.

with crustpope.

This rule applies when the EC dies by numbers.  When it is killed by an ability, you still have a chance.

So your opponent (EC) would just have to be stupid and let you know that he was dieing BTN before playing the Dominant, or do you get to make him prove that he was dieing BTN to accept his abrupt play of a dominant. 

Then...if I (hero) am beating my opponent (EC) by the numbers, I am able to play Grapes in between his playing the dom and discarding his EC? This could be nice to know...

Then...if I (hero) am beating my opponent (EC) by the numbers, I am able to play Grapes in between his playing the dom and discarding his EC? This could be nice to know...

Yes. But you have to be quick. Like a ninja.

Then...if I (hero) am beating my opponent (EC) by the numbers, I am able to play Grapes in between his playing the dom and discarding his EC? This could be nice to know...

if the dom he is playing is discarding his evil character(Grapes, AOTL) you have to let that ability complete before you can play a Dom....this would look like this...

Hero rescue attempts (John)
Blocker presents blocker (sabbath breaker)
John is beating sabbath breaker
Sabbath Breaker uses his ability.....he now has initiative to play a DOM...say he plays Grapes....This means that Sabbath breaker is discarded and John is shuffled....before you can play another dominant.  which by that point would be ....well pointless
Say you play Grapes before he does.  Sabbath breaker is discarded and John is shuffled....He cannot interrupt by playing Christian Martyr.  He would have to wait for your next hero. 

So basically the discard ability completes before another dominant can be played. 


Here is my question:  So many of us have come across this following scenario, therefore perhaps Tim can shed some light onto it for me. 

A hero and an EC are in battle.  Hero plays AOTL.  Then before EC is discarded, EC plays CM…according to the above statements this is not possible as the Hero discarded the EC thereby moving him into battle resolution.  If so, when did he have a chance to play CM?  Please advise. 

I guess I'm just missing why it is so important.

In the end it is not important.  It only comes up rarely, and is just a teaching point for younger players. 

  I can't see myself, even in a tournament that I have paid money to play in, arguing with my opponent because they happened to discard their EC first and THEN play their dominant. 

I feel that if you were in a real tournament where you have the chance of placing, then it could become important.  A soul is a soul when you need it. 

Evidently something is unclear:

If all blocking ECs are discarded/removed by a special ability, whether it be a dominant, Authority of Christ, or Death of Unrighteous, the battle hasn't moved on to battle resolution yet. Dominants can still be played, artifacts can be used, and in some cases, more special abilities on played cards can be carried out (you can use He is Risen to band in Gabriel and search your opponent's deck even after setting all the blocking EC's aside).

All this thread is talking about is the following:

I attack with Deborah (4/4), and you only have one Lost Soul available for me to rescue. You block with Herodias (6/6). I play Shoes of Peace (3/3) so I am now 7/7. You are dying, and have nothing to play, but you have Burial in hand. You cannot put Herodias in your discard pile, then expect to be able to play Burial before handing me the Lost Soul, since by discarding Herodias, you are saying "I can't do anything, the battle is over." If instead of playig Shoes of Peace, I play Angel of the Lord, then Herodias is discarded, you may not have decided the battle is over. So you can play Burial, even though Herodias already hit the discard pile.

The reason for this ruling was to have a more clear definition on when Battle resolution started. It used to be possible, when someone chose your blocker, for you to let the blocker die BTN, and then you could play Christian Martyr on their hero, presumably getting rid of two of your opponent's characters. That is no longer allowable by this rule.

No the distinction is when the blocker decides to d/c his or her EC.  Actions communicate intent and that allows me to act or react to certain actions.

If the blocker d/c's his or her EC that tells me that they have accepted the Status quo and so that leaves me free to do other things  maybe I have other dominants that I want to play like my SoG/NJ.  But if they d/c an EC and then play the SoG/NJ on the only available LS for me to Rescue that caused me to act on information that was not correct.  In essence it is lying.

The distinction is entirely on what you are saying (by your actions) when you d/c your EC.  If I D/C your EC by Dom or SA then you still have time to react (use an Art/play a Dom) because you havent decided that the battle is over.  When you do decide that the battle is over (by agreeing to move to battle resolution or by simply handing over a LS) then it is over.  But in the case of d/cing an EC it has been interpreted that this action is the same as signifying the transition to battle resolution.

Stefferweffer, read Professoralstad's last post again, it makes it very clear.  If someone else discards your EC per a SA/Dom/etc, you still have a chance to play a dominant.  If you discard your EC per losing by #s, you cannot because in doing so you've already said you cannot do anything else.

Its just a classic case- scenerio
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