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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: sepjazzwarrior on March 16, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
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Now that there is this new dom cap rule and most decks will have to move down a dominate or 2...or 3...or 4, then which 7 doms will you keep?
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Doubt and Glory of the Lord, fo' sho'.
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Son of God, New Jerusalem, Christian Martyr, Grapes of Wrath, Angel of the Lord, Mayhem, Burial. Might switch Harvest Time for NJ.
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Son of God, New Jerusalem, Angel of the Lord, Christian Martyr, Grapes of Wrath, and Mayhem are all staples. Last card is up in the air.
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Son of God, New Jerusalem, Angel of the Lord, Christian Martyr, Mayhem, Falling Away, and either Guardian or Burial. Maaaaybe Harvest Time, we'll have to see.
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I'll probably be the guy who makes 57 card decks. So my eight would be: SoG, NJ, AotL, Grapes, CM, Mayhem, FA, and DoN. If I had to pick 7 I'd cut either Grapes or DoN.
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The best thing about this rule is if gives me more than sufficient reason to tell people "NO" when they suggest putting Mayhem in any of my decks. :P
Seriously, though, it depends on what format we're talking. SoG, NJ, AotL, Grapes, and CM are the staple five for me, and the other two depend on the type (2P or MP).
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I may drop NJ. Seriously. If I can't use NJ defensively, I'd rather be free to use my SoG at the best time, and not when it happens to be in my hand at the same time as NJ. I'd rather just rescue the lost souls one at a time as they emerge from my opponent's deck.
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I'm loving all of the different answers. What a great indication that Dom cap was definately a step in the right direction.
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I'll keep,
SoG, NJ, AotL, Grapes, CM, Mayhem, and DoN. I'll also be using Lampy in pretty much every deck I build.
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As I mostly play T2 (the last time I played T1 was teams at nationals, and I can't remember the time before that) I will keep whichever ones I want, but if I were to play T1 I would probably pick SoG, NJ, Angel, CM, FA, and two out of Grapes, Mayhem and Destruction depending on the deck. I may trade out other ones if I have a really weird deck.
But I really don't know how T1 works so I may have no idea.
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I get to keep up to 21 dominants in my Type 1 2-player deck! Of course, I only have 5 in there: Son of God, Grapes of Wrath, Christian Martyr, Destruction of Nehushtan, and Mayhem.
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Poll added :)
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Mahem all the way.
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Son of God, New Jerusalem, Angel of the Lord, Grapes of Wrath, Mayhem, Harvest Time, Christian Martyr.
My Logic behind these 7 is that none of the evil dominants that I kept are stopped by Lampstand, allowing me to play it. Playing Lampstand also gives me the leeway to not play Guardian, opening the final slot for Harvest Time.
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Son of God, Grapes of Wrath, Mayhem, Christian Martyr, Burial, Falling Away, DoN.
Turtle is here to stay.
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Whoever voted for Doubt and Glory of the Lord is a troll :)
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Well, in my current 84 card deck I have Son of God, Grapes of Wrath, Christian Martyr, and DoN. The rule changes don't affect my current decks really or the deck I played with last year. This will probably just lead me to take out Son of God.
Even with speed decks I tend to run about 7 doms so no difference.
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Wat? I thought RDT didn't play Mayhem....
And Doubt is pretty good man. I've used it twice and it's gotten a block both times.
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Turtle is here to stay.
These new rules SHOULD invalidate the Tebow Jersey wager. But I won't be that guy.
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Good: SoG, NJ, AotL
Evil: CM, DoN, FA
Both: Grapes.
This is actually a totally balanced good/evil dom loadout for me, because I tend to use grapes as an instablock.
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Turtle is here to stay.
These new rules SHOULD invalidate the Tebow Jersey wager. But I won't be that guy.
There weren't any changes to the rules of time limits at Nats, so I still think you're safe :(
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That's why I'm not withdrawing my wager. Although these new rules do hurt speed a little, they don't help true turtle decks that much
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my 8 are AotL, SoG, NJ, harvest time, grapes, burial, CM, DoN
(yes i said 8 since i play a 63 card deck anyway)
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What I LOVE about this new rule change is people are going back to the "old 8" old school dom set ups ftw. This rule change is by far the best thing that has happened to the game since.... well ever!
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Wow I started the post and I was pleasently suprised to see a poll added to it when I woke up this morning:)
My vote is SoG, NJ, AotL, Guardian, Grapes, CM, Mayhem. If I'm running a deck that uses a temple I'll probably replace Guardian with Lampstand and throw in FA however.
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Now we have 2 trolls.
Out of 20 votes, really? Is 10% of the forum really trolls?
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Now we have 2 trolls.
Out of 20 votes, really? Is 10% of the forum really trolls?
If some knew something about what the future holds they might be inclined to include certain dominants that would otherwise make them troll like. ;)
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Now we have 2 trolls.
Out of 20 votes, really? Is 10% of the forum really trolls?
Have you been on this forum? 10% is a very low estimate.
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The thing I really like about this rule is deciding what the other players aren't using. Think about it this way: Who in their right mind is going to pick Guardian over Harvest Time, Grapes or Burial? Probably nobody, so Falling Away is a great one to have, because there is no way it will be stopped. But, the question is, is Falling Away better than a Grapes or Mayhem or something else to actually include it?
Ah. . . I love mind games!
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Falling Away is stopped by Lampstand...
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Falling Away is stopped by Lampstand...
And there is no way to stop/get rid of Lampstand?
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There's a type-o on mayhem.
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And Destruction of Nehushtan.
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And that is only one! There are several more!
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Now we have 2 trolls.
Out of 20 votes, really? Is 10% of the forum really trolls?
If some knew something about what the future holds they might be inclined to include certain dominants that would otherwise make them troll like. ;)
Spoiler alert???
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The standard 5 plus Burial and FA.
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The standard 5 plus Burial and FA.
My standard 5 is SoG/AotL/CM/DoN/Grapes. Which 5 do you mean?
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SoG, NJ, AotL, CM, Grapes.
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There's a type-o on mayhem.
And Destruction of Nehushtan.
Thanks guys. This is why I teach science instead of spelling :)
Spoiler alert???
I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that.
And just for the record we are holding steady at around 10% trolls (with 3 out of 32)
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I like how Christian Martyr has more votes than Son of God.
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I like how Christian Martyr has more votes than Son of God.
Depending on the type of deck, it is possible (even if extremely unlikely) that I would cut SoG (due to heavy defense or something). But I will never ever, unless some future ridiculous counters are printed and used, cut CM from a deck, whether offensive or defensive.
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I like how Christian Martyr has more votes than Son of God.
Depending on the type of deck, it is possible (even if extremely unlikely) that I would cut SoG (due to heavy defense or something). But I will never ever, unless some future ridiculous counters are printed and used, cut CM from a deck, whether offensive or defensive.
So you'd cut an auto rescue for a card that can be insteaded by Herod's Temple?
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I like how Christian Martyr has more votes than Son of God.
Depending on the type of deck, it is possible (even if extremely unlikely) that I would cut SoG (due to heavy defense or something). But I will never ever, unless some future ridiculous counters are printed and used, cut CM from a deck, whether offensive or defensive.
So you'd cut an auto rescue for a card that can be insteaded by Herod's Temple?
Absolutely. If I am using a slow defensive deck, I can't afford to have Sog or NJ sitting in my hand all game not being used. I need those slots for EEs. Plus, if my win condition can get 3, then it should be able to get 4. Now that you can only rescue souls in an opponent's LoB, that makes the decision even easier.
That is what I did in my 56 card WS deck last year, and I never once regretted it.
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After having a week to toy around with the dominants, what are people thinking now? I'm really curious how many people think cutting New Jerusalem is really a good idea. In the coin flip meta we have, is cutting an auto-rescue really a good idea? I remain absolutely unconvinced that it is, but do people have strong arguments why it's a good idea? I think Lampstand is going to be a much more prominent card in the meta than it would have been otherwise, since it's easily splashed into virtually every top theme except Genesis. Cards like Casting Lots and Lying Unto to God are good, but how many people are really going to use them as anti-Lampstand cards to drop a Falling Away? Grey has shown itself as being relatively strong this year, so for anyone toying around with grey defenses, do you think Casting Lots will end up being worth the splash? Right now I'm trying to decide between Harvest Time, DoN, and FA as my last artifact (I doubt I'll ever build a deck without SoG, NJ, AotL, CM, Grapes, and Mayhem). With Lampstand in the deck, I'm forced to ask myself if FA is really worth the slot over Harvest Time since it's a speed deck as well. More and more I love this rule as it adds a whole new layer of strategy and guesswork to the game.
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I have hopper does that mean i can have eight doms
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NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have hopper does that mean i can have eight doms
No.
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@ Chronic, This meta's not a coin flip meta compared to Pre-MRC. If anything this meta actually has skill.
Also as it stands I don't consider FA to be worth a slot at this point in time. DoN is far more useful.
Burial/two-liner isn't worth it any more. Honestly I'm loving the new rules more and more as I play. Especially rule #2, creates closer games.
*This is opinion and is the copyrighted words of Red. ;)*
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I'm not convinced it's any less of a coin flip, I just think it's a different coin. Some elements of the coin flip concept definitely got changed in that two speed decks facing each other aren't both racing for Son of God and New Jerusalem all the time, however, it really comes down to who draws the least amount of souls and pulls the big two. It definitely requires more skill, and I think that the gap between good and great deck builders has widened, but I don't think much benefit will have been gained amongst top players facing each other.
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After playing some games, I changed my vote.
I have found that what doms I keep depends on what deck I am running. So in a defense-heavy deck I run SoG, Grapes, DoN, FA, CM, Burial, Mayhem. In a speed deck I would run SoG, NJ, AotL, Grapes, GoYS, CM, Mayhem. And there could actually be some variations between these 2 depending on the deck.
However, in a balanced deck, and therefore what I voted for...
SoG, NJ, AotL, Grapes, CM, Mayhem, Burial. For that last spot where I had to decide between GoyS, FA, Burial, and DoN, I figured that GoYS and FA are not going to work unless they come out before my opponent gets the other one, and if I'm playing balanced, then I'm probably not going to win that race. So really it was between Burial and DoN, and I figured that there are a lot of ways to deal with artifacts (Captured Ark and Lying Unto God being 2 great ways). Therefore, it made the most sense to keep the dominant that I can't really replace with any other card (Burial). And since LS availability has become much more important, it just made sense to go with Burial to limit that more.
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In a speed deck I would run SoG, NJ, AotL, Grapes, GoYS, CM, Mayhem.
This is what I've been running in Multiplayer. I keep losing to RLKs do to them killing me with Dom blocks and me being a candy shop.
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Also as it stands I don't consider FA to be worth a slot at this point in time. DoN is far more useful.
I'll agree with you, except for this. DoN and FA are both stopped by Lampy, but FA is more powerful. Very few people will be packing Guardian. In a toss-up between the two, I'd root for FA. Most likely, speed decks will be packing HT in that slot.